First Italian built F-35 Joint Strike Fighter comes off the assembly line

[BeerBaron]

The car industry is even deader in the UK.


The US Airforce will just keep using the Apache for everything, as they did before.

What are you talking about, the Apache is NOT a replacement for a multi role fighter aircraft, and they certainly don't use it for everything. The apache was originally developed to counter the mass amounts of Soviet tanks, in case they decided to storm into western Europe. And the Army is the primary user, not the airforce.

[Ctwentysevenj]

Bollocks, mate. There's no technology transfer at all. The sole Level 1 partner is BAe Systems of UK, and they loudly complained that the Americans denied all access to really sensitive technologies and know-how (Italy is only a secondary contractor, like the Netherlands or Turkey).










The F-35 is notoriously a lemon, the costliest useless flying junk ever developed.

However still certain amount technology would've had to transfer to Alenia-Aermacchi in order to build the thing. Maybe a bit envious the Italians are building this fifth generation fighter, and it is not being built by Dassault, which build fantastic fighters like the Rafale. If it is a useless junk, how come countries like Australia, Japan, italy, UK , Netherlands, Norway and the USA are continuing to acquire it. I think Denmark maybe think of buying it too. All European F-35s will built by Alenia-Aermacchi, except for the british and Turkish aircraft.

[Ctwentysevenj]

I think I detect a bit of envy from some members. Now the Italians are producing the F-35 JSF, the only production line outside Fort Worth Texas, USA, they playing down the achievements of Italian aerospace. The Italians have been producing Americans designed fighters since the 1950s, which started with the F-86K Sabre for many European air forces. Plus many of their own designs like the FIAT G-91 attack aircraft built for the German Air force, although produced under license by Dornier. Also the AMX attack aircraft. Now the Aermacchi M-346 advance jet trainer may have a good chance winning the US air force new advance jet trainer program, the TX program. Plus designs like the Eurofighter and the Tornado.

[Ctwentysevenj]

Also the F-104 Starfighter also produced by the Italians. Actually they are the only ones to produced the last and most powerful version , the F-104S.

[Ctwentysevenj]

Italians build the best sports cars so why not the best planes?

Other Italian planes, which are considered the best in their class

[BeerBaron]

I think I detect a bit of envy from some members. Now the Italians are producing the F-35 JSF, the only production line outside Fort Worth Texas, USA, they playing down the achievements of Italian aerospace. The Italians have been producing Americans designed fighters since the 1950s, which started with the F-86K Sabre for many European air forces. Plus many of their own designs like the FIAT G-91 attack aircraft built for the German Air force, although produced under license by Dornier. Also the AMX attack aircraft. Now the Aermacchi M-346 advance jet trainer may have a good chance winning the US air force new advance jet trainer program, the TX program. Plus designs like the Eurofighter and the Tornado.

Playing down the achievements? wtf are you talking about

The fighter was made for a multitude of contributing countries........"joint strike fighter" it was meant to be manufactured outside of the US as well as in it.

[Ctwentysevenj]

https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=MqdoOQxSdq4

[Smaug]

Not that it matters. Militarily speaking, Italy isn't sovereign.

Nobody in Europe is, except for Russia.

[Be fake]

Bollocks, mate. There's no technology transfer at all. The sole Level 1 partner is BAe Systems of UK, and they loudly complained that the Americans denied all access to really sensitive technologies and know-how (Italy is only a secondary contractor, like the Netherlands or Turkey).





The F-35 is notoriously a lemon, the costliest useless flying junk ever developed.

Italy is a secondary contractor like Netherlans. Turkey is a third level contractor.

There is enough technology transfer to allow us to build all the F35s we wish to have and export them to other countries.

F35 doesn't need to climb and turn because it's a stealth fighter bomber, not an outdated fighter like Rafale or Mig 29 made for dog fight and other tricks which are completely useless in modern warfare.

[Rudel]

And the Army is the primary user, not the airforce.

Mea culpa, I just tend to dismiss the separation between armies as being relevant (and it shouldn't be).

This being said, I highly doubt the usefulness of the F35 as being the versatile multi-purpose machine it needs to be, be it only from a cost/benefit standpoint. It's too expensive to be much more than a prestige acquisition.
If Americans had any sense they'd stick to existing platforms, with a few upgrades.

Maybe a bit envious the Italians are building this fifth generation fighter, and it is not being built by Dassault, which build fantastic fighters like the Rafale.

Never Ouistreham nor myself would express much jealousy over it. They're building a machine that's not theirs.

If it is a useless junk, how come countries like Australia, Japan, italy, UK , Netherlands, Norway and the USA are continuing to acquire it.

The US is known to put other nations under considerable pressure, even racketeering them, to have them buy their weaponry production. This has nothing to do with the inner qualities of the plane (although I'm sure it's an able plane on its own merits).

Nobody in Europe is, except for Russia.

Many armies in Europe are sovereign, include Britain and France. Some aren't, or are in name only, due to "integration" with NATO command, as is the case with Germany and Italy.

There is enough technology transfer to allow us to build all the F35s we wish to have and export them to other countries.

Try that and you'll be branded as a "rogue nation" and will have another score of yanks entering Sicily uninvited.

F35 doesn't need to climb and turn because it's a stealth fighter bomber, not an outdated fighter like Rafale or Mig 29 made for dog fight and other tricks which are completely useless in modern warfare.

There isn't such a thing as pure stealth. Trading actual manoeuvrability on the off-chance that the thing might go unnoticed is nothing but reckless.