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    Quote Originally Posted by Philip Latinowitz View Post
    Inferiority complex among people like you is quite entertaining to tell the truth.
    That's a weak response. Come on Croatia, you're EU.

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    Ah, true. Croatia is only sharing 1st place with France in Europe by the number of UNESCO Intangible Cultural Heritage elements. There's only 10 UNESCO World Heritage Sites in Croatia. How many are there in Serbia and Bosnia?
    Tell me Ustasa, how many were built by people you read about in your History books? You're professionals at rewriting your own History.

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    Jes, Hrvatski humor da plačeš od muke, da mi je jednom u životu pogledati Hrvatsku komediju i da se nasmijem.

    Hrvati i Kultura je nespojivo.

    Srpski glumci su najbolji glumci koji su se ikada pojavili na balkanu, i to je činjenica koju većinu stanovnika Balkana bez obzira na sva
    sukobljavanja ne osporavaju.
    While I don't disagree, I don't agree either, you can't ignore the fact that Bosnia played a major role in the rise of Serb culture. They factually took culture from Bosnia and claimed it as theirs.



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    Same like us, the Ottomans had forced them to convert to Islam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diocleatian204 View Post
    Same like us, the Ottomans had forced them to convert to Islam.
    What is 'Ottomans? And who forced you into Islam? Ali Pasha of Tepedelen forced some Ghegian Albos in Islam, but Ali was Albanian himself. You can't blame the Turkic state or its Turkish component.

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    We already provided source as to how the Bosniaks ended as Muslims. Their own Catholic elite treated them as subhumans, sometimes sending them in chains to Rome for most Bosnians were heretic, neo-manicheanist Bogomils.
    Turks occupied Bosnia without even a fight. Let aside delivering a pitched battle, Bosnians gave the keys of seven cities to Mehmet with ceremony hailing him as a liberator from the oppression.

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    When it says initial Ottomans, there is reference to ethnic Turks. Turks didn't give any flying f*ck about the religion of Albanians or their Christianity.
    When Istanbul appointed Tepedelenli Ali Pasha as the first ever Albanian ruler of Albania, Epirus etc. it seems he used brute force abit

    Later Turks killed Tepedelenli Ali Pasha for he tried to create a Muslim Albania independent from the Turkish rule. Albanians grew in influence. Albo lords were de facto independent rulers of Western Balkans.
    The reformist Ottoman Sultan in 1830 solved the 'Albanian question, in a aggressive way. He sent a Georgian devshirme Pasha to Macedonia who told Albanian lords 'Brothers come to a gathering, Sultan has gifts for you, and Albanian beys with their escort (some 400 people in total) gathered in Manastir. Ottoman troops showed up and operated a massacre.

    It might seem non-human but it solved the Albanian problem because for the next 90 years so until the end of the Ottoman empire, the Albanians (now 'decapitated,) remained loyal to Istanbul.

    So for summary, Turks have nothing to do with the conversion of Albanians.
    Albanian higher classes obviously saw Islam as an opportunity for a career in serving the Turkic state, and ultimately it seems they saw the conversion of their nation to Islam as a means to rule the western Balkans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gold-Shekel View Post
    Tell me Ustasa, how many were built by people you read about in your History books? You're professionals at rewriting your own History.
    Listen Ustasha, intangible heritage is not something that is built. That is alive heritage.

    Now, we didn't build pyramids like some , but we did build some awesome things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gold-Shekel View Post
    That's a weak response. Come on Croatia, you're EU.

    Tell me Ustasa, how many were built by people you read about in your History books? You're professionals at rewriting your own History.

    While I don't disagree, I don't agree either, you can't ignore the fact that Bosnia played a major role in the rise of Serb culture. They factually took culture from Bosnia and claimed it as theirs.
    Stop calling her Ustaša, she was respectful towards you. Either learn to behave like a normal man or rather try to communicate with animals in ZOO.
    BTW your barking won't change the fact many of your countrymen were active Ustaše. Rather try to change your present and future instead trying to re write the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philip Latinowitz View Post
    Stop calling her Ustaša, she was respectful towards you. Either learn to behave like a normal man or rather try to communicate with animals in ZOO.
    BTW your barking won't change the fact many of your countrymen were active Ustaše. Rather try to change your present and future instead trying to re write the past.
    Only 5% of Bosniak fighters (Bosniaks in all different WW2 armies = 100%) were in Ustashe. Sorry to dissapoint you.
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    There is no such thing as a moderate Serb. Every Serb is a supporter of the Chetnik ideology to some degree. Some Serbs like Davai are openly chetniks, while others like rv12aval are cryptochetniks who hide behind Bratsvo I Jedinstvo and other such concepts. Yugoslav partisans believer in the chetnik ideology, but could not display it openly because otherwise they couldn't recruit naive Croats and Bosniaks, which were necessary for victory. We shouldn't make a difference between a Serb and a chetnik, the two are exactly the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Destroyer View Post
    Only 5% of Bosniak fighters (Bosniaks in all different WW2 armies = 100%) were in Ustashe. Sorry to dissapoint you.
    minority of croats were in ustaše too. there were more in domobrani and partizans

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diocleatian204 View Post
    Same like us, the Ottomans had forced them to convert to Islam.
    Both Bosniaks and Albanians converted voluntatily to Islam. Honestly, if the Ottomans "forced" Bosniaks and Albanians to convert to Islam, then why didn't they force Bulgarians or Serbs to convert as well?

    The Bosniaks converted to Islam because they wanted the protection of the Ottomans from Catholic and Orthodox people. The Bosniaks were neither Catholic nor Orthodox, they were Bogomils, and they were viewed as heretics by both Catholics and Orthodox. There were even Catholic crusades agaisnt the Bosniaks. That's why they converted to Islam, they viewed the Ottomans as protectors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lavrentis View Post
    Both Bosniaks and Albanians converted voluntatily to Islam. Honestly, if the Ottomans "forced" Bosniaks and Albanians to convert to Islam, then why didn't they force Bulgarians or Serbs to convert as well?

    The Bosniaks converted to Islam because they wanted the protection of the Ottomans from Catholic and Orthodox people. The Bosniaks were neither Catholic nor Orthodox, they were Bogomils, and they were viewed as heretics by both Catholics and Orthodox. There were even Catholic crusades agaisnt the Bosniaks. That's why they converted to Islam, they viewed the Ottomans as protectors.
    You're right, there are few cases when conversation was forced but conversation was mostly voluntarily, for Bosniaks you did already point out because they were part of weaker church so normally seen a more real threat on two stronger churches (orthodoxy and catholics) who were close to each other than they did see on Islam, so as result have embraced Islam due this also for financial & political benefits it may have followed in Ottoman empire, same could be said about Albanians however in Albanians you had no bogomils but you had two big religions, Orthodox and Catholics but the key part of conversation apart of political gain was that Albanian didn't really had a orthodox church on their own to be able to secure identity without being absorbed to two bigger groups, Greeks and Slavs, as consequence of this conversation did happen mostly with Orthodox Albanians who were a easier target for conversation whilst Catholics at least had Vatican also not a neighboring catholic country to threaten them from assimilation.

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