Why did Bosniaks convert to Islam?

[The Destroyer]

Wikipedia is not a serious source. The majority of articles about the Albanian history are written by greek and serv net-warriors, alexikoua, zoupan(davai, the famous troll of Apricity) antidiscriminator, etc.

What? Zoupan is davai? I can't believe it, I used to edit wikipedia a lot and write articles and he reversed literally every article I wrote about Bosnian history into Serb mythomania. I had no idea they were the same person.

[Böri]

Btw Vlatko seemed to be hurt because Mehmet executed the last king of Bosnia.
Anyway his family and the Bosniak ruling classes later received high positions and gifts which they couldn't even dream of.

The example is the half brother of Bosnia's last king.

Osman's Dream: The Story of the Ottoman Empire 1300-1923
By Caroline Finkel


The heretic leftover Bosniaks were very much happy of their situation in decades which followed the Turkish takeover of Bosnia, I think there is no discussion about that. Albanians, who developed self-rule in western Balkans were never so much privileged.

[The Destroyer]

Btw Vlatko seemed to be hurt because Mehmet executed the last king of Bosnia.
Anyway his family and the Bosniak ruling classes later received high positions and gifts which they couldn't even dream of.

The example is the half brother of Bosnia's last king.

Osman's Dream: The Story of the Ottoman Empire 1300-1923
By Caroline Finkel


The heretic leftover Bosniaks were very much happy of their situation in decades which followed the Turkish takeover of Bosnia, I think there is no discussion about that. Albanians, who developed self-rule in western Balkans were never so much privileged.

This is true, the conversion of the majority-heretic nobility made them keep their lands just as earlier.

Also, unlike other parts of the Ottoman Empire, Bosniak sipahis had hereditary land (timar), as far as am I informed about it. This meant that a Bosniak who had earned his land by fighting as an Ottoman soldier on the border wouldn't give his land back to the state after dying, but would pass it on to his son. This was the basis of the formation of the "begovat" ruling class.

You are free to correct me, because I'm not 100% sure if Bosniak warriors really passed their timars on to their sons.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Btw Vlatko seemed to be hurt because Mehmet executed the last king of Bosnia.
Anyway his family and the Bosniak ruling classes later received high positions and gifts which they couldn't even dream of.

The example is the half brother of Bosnia's last king.

Osman's Dream: The Story of the Ottoman Empire 1300-1923
By Caroline Finkel


The heretic leftover Bosniaks were very much happy of their situation in decades which followed the Turkish takeover of Bosnia, I think there is no discussion about that. Albanians, who developed self-rule in western Balkans were never so much privileged.

Yes, surely. Heretics (who were Christians) just waited for turkic horde to conquer them and bring them Islam. Very nice story.

[Böri]

Yes, surely. Heretics (who were Christians)

Neo-manichean Bogomils, who were being sent to Italy in chains by their own king. Rejected by both eastern and western Churches.

just waited for turkic horde to conquer them and bring them Islam. Very nice story.

The Turkic horde had absolutely no policy to convert. The proof is the Armenians, Greeks, Bulgarians, Serbs and else. The point of the invasion was military control and pacification of potential foes, that came before the desire to convert the subject.

The Bosniaks waited a rule which wouldn't mistreat them for what they believed in, unlike their own king and upper ecclesiastical class. If they chose to convert, it was their problem. Not Turks'.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

The Turkic horde had absolutely no policy to convert. The proof is the Armenians, Greeks, Bulgarians, Serbs and else.

Who had money to pay you Jizya (harach), yes. You didn't want to convert him. But do you know there was a people which was poor? And didn't have money to pay you harach. What they must? They must convert. Very simply.

[Böri]

Who had money to pay you Jizya (harach), yes. You didn't want to convert him. But do you know there was a people which was poor? And didn't have money to pay you harach. What they must? They must convert. Very simply.

Gee stop your romance, you will make people go in full tears for the alleged sufferings. We already mentioned that in Bosnia, the Islamization was a middle class, land owners movement. And even as Serb and Croat peasantry started to become a bigger share of Bosnia's population, the Bosniak middle class were still hardcore Muslim. Interestingly in Bosnia, around the 18th century, Islam was more the religion of the richer and Christianity the religion of the poorers.

What you said would have made sense if the Islamization came from bottom social class toward up.

[Gold-Shekel]

What is up with this wave of self loathing Bosniaks? Guys if you want to be Christians just convert already, you can call yourself Ivan or Jovan all you want.

[Óttar]

What was the reason Bosnians became Muslims?

I heard that before they converted to Islam they were Bogomils.

What factors led to their conversion?

Part of the reason for Islam's success was that they attracted Christians who were persecuted by the Byzantine Church.

[Lavrentis]

Part of the reason for Islam's success was that they attracted Christians who were persecuted by the Byzantine Church.

But Bogomils were prosecuted by the Catholic Church too, there were some Crusades called against them. Also there's Albanians, who before their conversion to Islam were Orthodox and were not persecuted by the Byzantine Church.