Unchaste Marriages?

[Wadaad]

In the end...the phrase "I remained a virgin for you" is the most powerful a woman can say to a man. (The inverse is also powerful...but not as powerful. )

Sorry, non-virgin ladies of Apricity, but it's the truth...I understand your need to say otherwise, Im betting none of you are with the ones you lost your virginities to.

[Era]

Yes, I believe chastity is extremely important for woman and men. There are some women out there that are willing to do this today. But what about men? Why are men brainwashed that if they don't have sex with a million girls, they are losers

I value chastity a lot! And I want to let men know that it isn't only loser, weird, obese men that chose to be virgin till marriage, attractive and normal men can too. Has anyone heard of Sean Lowe, he is the cutest Virgin out there .., Men and women: please choose to a virgin !! It makes you look like a good and descent person. I choose to be a virgin till marriage... I want my husband to do the same

Sean Lowe (isn't he sooo adorable )
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Sean wasn't a virgin , he was celibate.

[Era]

In the end...the phrase "I remained a virgin for you" is the most powerful a woman can say to a man. (The inverse is also powerful...but not as powerful. )

Sorry, non-virgin ladies of Apricity, but it's the truth...I understand your need to say otherwise, Im betting none of you are with the ones you lost your virginities to.

Waddad you're an otherwise smart guy but this is the equivalent of a woman saying that men who want virgins have a small one and can't bear the competition. It's the same assumption.

[Longbowman]

You seem to be a rookie. If you were unaware that Unome meant only for girls and was holding girls to this standard but not men, you may disregard this annoyed post. If you knew that but continued anyway, and do not hold men to the same standard you hold women (I'm not interested in encouraging promiscuity, nor in discouraging it) I invite you to keep reading:

obvious graph

And? Find one of the 30%. Your bar graph shows 20% of promiscuous women enjoy marriages as good as 85% of non-promiscuous women. Just be a little discerning in terms of character. But the OP was about virginity. A majority of women with one partner in your chart report having good marriages. Anyhow, as mentioned, it's somewhat besides the point.

"We should adopt the gender roles of Early Neolithic and Mesolithic savages"

Aimed at MrMalus. He's all about 'mesolithic survivor.'

"Chaste marriages aren't ideal because muh bible"

Aimed at Unome. I'm not a believer (nor is he, but he's a 'cultural Catholic').

The idea of well defined property norms is very recent. And again
"We should adopt the gender roles of savages"

1) Jews are superior to you in every way 2) so are Tibetans 3) being a misogynist is not a sign of being advanced.

Implying feeling insecure is a bad thing.

It is.

Is feeling insecure when there is a shark in the water a bad thing?

Yep, insecure isn't a synonym of unsafe. 'There's a shark? I've always been afraid my dick was too small to satisfy a woman' would be the situation you're describing.

I'll treat you as if you were continuing for the OP, as you've taken my response out of context, and I'll assume you hold women to a double standard. If you were saving yourself, too, I'd roll my eyes gently but have no problem. So I ask; where's your chart concerning men? Do you believe men who sleep around form great marriages? Obviously not, they've proven themselves to be K-selected.

Furthermore if you do ignore the bible and what-have-you, which I do, there's no objective reason to give a shit, apart from the kind of chart you showed, which has an equivalent male chart. Here, I found it for you:



'But women shouldn't care abo-' shut the fuck up, they should and they do.

My post used reasoning I thought would appeal to the people I was responding to. My general opinion is about double standards. If you don't want to have sex that is your call. Don't demand of people what you won't do yourself.

The reality is you're probably all going to compromise, die alone, or marry very, very religious.

[Sockorer]

You seem to be a rookie. If you were unaware that Unome meant only for girls and was holding girls to this standard but not men, you may disregard this annoyed post. If you knew that but continued anyway, and do not hold men to the same standard you hold women (I'm not interested in encouraging promiscuity, nor in discouraging it) I invite you to keep reading:

Chastity is a much more valuable trait in women. I advocate for a general discouragement of promiscuity. But focusing on the sexual choices of women is a society's main priority. For a male, chastity is a valuable trait in a partner because:

1. She is less likely to cheat. If she cheats the chance that one of "your" offspring not actually being yours increases, thereby cheating you out of your scarce resources, to raise a child that is her own, but not yours. She is more likely to destroy your marriage and thereby make it more difficult to raise your offspring.
2. She is less likely to have STDs

Chastity in men is a double edged sword for women. It means:

1. He is less likely to cheat on you. The main downside to a man cheating is he may divert resources away from your offspring and give it to another women's offspring. And you have less influence over him.
2. He is more likely to be low status. This means he is likely to have less resources to raise a family. This means he is going to be worse at defending his property.
3. He is less likely to have STDS.
4. He is less likely to end your marriage.

Also women are more likely to initiate a divorce.

Here's the answer: A 2000 paper (link is external) published in American Law and Economics Review by Margaret F. Brinig and Douglas W. Allen reported data (Table 1, p. 128) from several studies across the United States spanning more than 100 years (1867 to 1995) regarding the percentage of instances where the woman had filed for divorce. Based on the collected data, I calculated that women had initiated the divorce in 68.9% of all cases. In only one of 25 separate datasets were men the greater initiators of divorce. - https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...rce-more-often

And? Find one of the 30%. Your bar graph shows 20% of promiscuous women enjoy marriages as good as 85% of non-promiscuous women. Just be a little discerning in terms of character. But the OP was about virginity. A majority of women with one partner in your chart report having good marriages. Anyhow, as mentioned, it's somewhat besides the point.

The fact of the matter is more promiscuity is associated with higher rates of failed marriages and less promiscuity is associated with successful marriages. And so virgins are ideal. Looking at the sexual history of a women is part of discerning character.

1) Jews are superior to you in every way 2) so are Tibetans 3) being a misogynist is not a sign of being advanced.

1. White gentiles are considerably more evolutionarily successful than both Jews and Tibetans.
2. Patriarchy and Gender roles are technology, to advocate their destruction is to destroy a technology, a technology that makes White gentiles superior to savages like Jews and Tibetans.

Yep, insecure isn't a synonym of unsafe. 'There's a shark? I've always been afraid my dick was too small to satisfy a woman' would be the situation you're describing.

I'll treat you as if you were continuing for the OP, as you've taken my response out of context, and I'll assume you hold women to a double standard. If you were saving yourself, too, I'd roll my eyes gently but have no problem.

Furthermore if you do ignore the bible and what-have-you, which I do, there's no objective reason to give a shit,


'But women shouldn't care abo-' shut the fuck up, they should and they do.

My post used reasoning I thought would appeal to the people I was responding to. My general opinion is about double standards. If you don't want to have sex that is your call. Don't demand of people what you won't do yourself.

The reality is you're probably all going to compromise, die alone, or marry very, very religious.

There is no objective reason for anything. There is no objective reason to live. I WANT my society I live in to be successful and so I will adopt social norms that will make it successful.

The feelings of insecurity, Fear and anxiety are related and all evolved for good reason, that is to alert you of risks. So the feeling itself isn't bad, but the thing that trigger it is. Instead of mocking "misogynists" for being "insecure" mock them for having small genitalia or something.

I don't plan on saving myself for anyone.

I hold men and women to double standards because they're not equal.

As for the parts I cut out, I already addressed those at the top.

[Mortimer]

there are many females who are not virgin and are very nice and i would marry, that being said virginity is special to me still, it would be cool if she were virgin when she marries me, sorry ladies

[Dandelion]

Waddad you're an otherwise smart guy but this is the equivalent of a woman saying that men who want virgins have a small one and can't bear the competition. It's the same assumption.

He is a conservative muslim. Why expect different? Just a fact, not an attack (well kind of not one lol).

For the rest, I do believe virginity is such a superficial thing. The morality of shame about sexuality in Abrahamic religion is not my thing.

Also, many Western women are still virgin over their 20s, you'd be amased (for some reason that has become a taboo too, not having been penetrated after a certain age). You have late bloomers. But they don't necessarily share the Abrahamic morality concerning sexuality.

[Darth Revan]

He is a conservative muslim. Why expect different? Just a fact, not an attack (well kind of not one lol).

For the rest, I do believe virginity is such a superficial thing. The morality of shame about sexuality in Abrahamic religion is not my thing.

Shocker.
NatiaCutie's friend, believer in all the codex of human rightism, duhmuhcrasy and hedonism, believes the praise of virginity and chastity is fundamentally an Abrahamic thing.

[Dandelion]

Shocker.
NatiaCutie's friend, believer in all the codex of human rightism, duhmuhcrasy and hedonism, believes the praise of virginity and chastity is fundamentally an Abrahamic thing.

Only in a forum of paleo-conservatives as yourself am I actually considered a 'lubral'. Go figure.

The world is far more complex than the dichotomy of chastity and Bacchanal orgies.

It's a fact that the obsession about virginity is an Abrahamic thing among others. Example. In Japan during the Edo period it was normal to have mixed-gendered public bathhouses. They even used it as a place to meet a marriage partner/mate and even love was made in such bathhouses (as portrayed in their art). However, under European influence and their Christianity (Abrahamic) and their opinion of Japanese society of being barbarian, they prohibited the practice in the late 19th century.

Are there non-Abrahamic religion with strong restraints on something human as sexuality? Probably. Does being lenient about sexuality mean fully fledged libertinism? No. People have sex out of love outside of wedlock everywhere. This is what most people in the world do. Abrahamic religion forbids it though and this forum is rich of people who are fixated on it so much that everyone who thinks otherwise is a 'lubral hippie' through their eyes. That's pretty out of touch with reality, in my opinion.

[Darth Revan]

Only in a forum of paleo-conservatives as yourself am I actually considered a 'lubral'. Go figure.

I'm not a conservatard.
Jeez, this place. Will have to start listing the pearls said so far:


- SvenDC going about Kabul being a communist because he doesn't want to deep-throat the US.
- Thana calling Herr Abubu a librul because he knows autistic mental fapping about muh puritee is useless.
- Now I'm a conservatard for not gobbling the bluepill-life bullshit.


We only need Ottar saying how MrMalus is a Christian fundamentalist (about to happen probly) in the thread about the Asatru hippies for pointing how puerile and moronic paganism truly is, to have our next addition to the list.