Ancient Iranics

[Anglojew]

No, but i think the ancient judeans look more Samaritan than me.

Probably generally more like Randomguy but once again he doesn't have dark skin and could pass in Europe.

[Sikeliot]

Probably generally more like Randomguy but once again he doesn't have dark skin and could pass in Europe.

Randomguy looks like me kind of but less European.

Either way this idea that these ancient civilizations were once lighter and have gotten darker is never really true in my view and usually it makes more sense to assume the opposite happened.

[Anglojew]

Randomguy looks like me kind of but less European.

Either way this idea that these ancient civilizations were once lighter and have gotten darker is never really true in my view and usually it makes more sense to assume the opposite happened.

I guess it depends on the era. I think it's to do with climate i.e. the Ice Age.

[TheGoldenSon]

I am by no means an expert at this matter, but looking at the sculptures and reliefs on old palace walls the Iranians looked "darker" than today's Persians with a strong prevalence of curly and facial hair.

If anything the migrations of east Asians and the Vargarian-Slavic-Tartar slave routes in the the ninth century made them to a degree "whiter", especially in the northern regions around Teheran and Caspian sea which was a major slave trade nexus.

[Iron Sheik]

3. We have no idea how much genetic continuity the Andronovo had with later Persian aristocrats or something.

Based on the samara yamnaya(which puts the average between 16-17%) derived results, at least a quarter, more or less, of the average Iranians genome belongs to the actual Indo-Iranian(considering that yamnaya represents proto-indo-europeans rather than indo-Iranians who became more diluted as they went south and south-west) invasions. Persian and Indo-Iranian aristocrats probably had a bit more.

I am by no means an expert at this matter, but looking at the sculptures and reliefs on old palace walls the Iranians looked "darker" than today's Persians with a strong prevalence of curly and facial hair.

If anything the migrations of east Asians and the Vargarian-Slavic-Tartar slave routes in the the ninth century made them to a degree "whiter", especially in the northern regions around Teheran and Caspian sea which was a major slave trade nexus.

Turkic admixture is absolutely minimal in most of Iran, save for khorasan. In western iran, the admixture reaches around 1-3% in azeris at most.

The Iranian Persians are the ones who created all the awesome culture, incredible ancient cities like Persepolis, and the original duelistic and monotheistic mythologies like Zoroastrianism. So I would be very interested in their racial origins. I could really give a crap about the Andronovo or Indo-Iranian Scythians who just rode horses on the Plains all day and not much else.

Iranian Persians and indeed most west-Iranians descend from post-Neolithic cultures, that had their own autchonous culture. That were related to other post-Neolithic cultures in north-west asia. Indo-Iranians only contributed with some of their genes and their culture. Much like the anglo-Saxons in England. They took over the hegemony from already advanced cultures. Their influence was mainly spiritual and linguistic.

[lameduck]

Pashtun and tajik pamiri type(prob less mixed with other elements). these groups also have highest yamnaya based ancestry.

[Iron Sheik]

Pashtun and tajik pamiri type(prob less mixed with other elements). these groups also have highest yamnaya based ancestry.

d4nny, where have you been all this time?

[blogen]

They were similar to the contemporary Iranians (minus the Mongoloid influence).