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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthropologique View Post
    I know the history and I was only pointing out what has been written about Madeira by knowledgeable people. You don't have to be full Portuguese and living in Portugal to comment accurately about things Portuguese. I've been to Madeira in my travels and the majority of its people looked standard Iberian / SW Euro to me. There is a minority segment, however, with obvious non-Euro influences.

    The fact remains that Madeira was a plantation colony sustained by sale labor from places that you mentioned.
    I don't think you're too knowledgable if you write things such as this:

    It was a plantation colony for a considerable period of time with as much as 15% black, MENA and Gaunche slaves, before incorporation into Portugal itself.
    It was a plantation before being incorporated into Portugal? Nope, go read history...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endovélico View Post
    I don't think you're too knowledgable if you write things such as this:



    It was a plantation before being incorporated into Portugal? Nope, go read history...
    Well Madeira became part of Portugal politically, eventually. How does that change anything about it originally being a plantation society with a significant slave labor population?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthropologique View Post
    Well Madeira became part of Portugal politically, eventually. How does that change anything about it originally being a plantation society with a significant slave labor population?
    No it wasn't originally a plantation society. Read my post about Madeira history again.

    Here is what people from Madeira look like. They have been compared on this forum to Dominicans by people with trollish intentions:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    As I said if you broke down the "Iberian" component, it'd get filtered into others. It'd probably become filtered into Sardinian, Irish/British and North African.
    The Iberian component definitely has more than just Iberian in it. That's why on deeper analysis certain non-Iberian markers are pulled out and these could range, depending on the individual, from NW Europe, Germany, Sardinia to NA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endovélico View Post
    Here is what people from Madeira look like. They have been compared on this forum to Dominicans by people with trollish intentions:


    And MY point is, for all you know everyone in that video above may score up to 5% SSA, you just cannot see it in their looks and they would probably not know it was there unless they tested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endovélico View Post
    No it wasn't originally a plantation society. Read my post about Madeira history again.

    Here is what people from Madeira look like. They have been compared on this forum to Dominicans by people with trollish intentions:

    I know what they look like. I already said that the greater majority is Euro in appearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    And MY point is, for all you know everyone in that video above may score up to 5% SSA, you just cannot see it in their looks and they would probably not know it was there unless they tested.
    Of course, and you use american mongrels to prove your point. Don't bother to address me again btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthropologique View Post
    I know what they look like. I already said that the greater majority is Euro in appearance.
    Those who don't look full European likely come from bottlenecked areas and are scoring more than the minor SSA we see in my results. The results I am posting would go with people like those in the video above, since you cannot see such minor amounts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endovélico View Post
    Of course, and you use american mongrels to prove your point. Don't bother to address me again btw.
    I'm going to whether you like it or not because it has to be said. What American mixture could possibly give someone 50%+ Iberian in their scores and everything else exactly on point except minor SSA under 5%? Nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endovélico View Post
    No it wasn't originally a plantation society. Read my post about Madeira history again.

    Here is what people from Madeira look like. They have been compared on this forum to Dominicans by people with trollish intentions:

    It was turned into a plantation colony sometime after discovery. Yes, originally Madeira was only populated by small groups of people from mainland Portugal and, a while later, turned into a plantation style colony - like what you once had in places like Jamaica - that produced primarily sugar cane. That's how history books describe it.

    Any person who attempts to compare Madeirans to Dominicans phenotypically is a sick moron.

    I will say nothing further about Madeira.
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