Is Balkan mentality closer to that of other Europeans, the Near East or a combination of the two?

[Dušan]

Haha, more oriental than Bosnian Serbs. Serbs living in a fantasy world.

Feeling offended? Not my problem.
We have videos and photos of 80-100 years ago. They tell everything.

[Insuperable]

Feeling offended? Not my problem.
We have videos and photos of 80-100 years ago. They tell everything.

Serbs very funny.

[Insuperable]

Imotski was 225 years under the Ottomans, 80 years under the Venetians (1717-1797), 112 years under the Habsburgs (1797-1805, 1814-1918) and 9 years under the French rule (1805-1814). It was almost almost 3 times longer Ottoman than Venetian, and more Ottoman than Venetian, Habsburg and French together.

225 or so years is max for Croatian lands yet Imotski and people feel unoriental.

[Archduke]

Imotski was 225 years under the Ottomans, 80 years under the Venetians (1717-1797), 112 years under the Habsburgs (1797-1805, 1814-1918) and 9 years under the French rule (1805-1814). It was almost almost 3 times longer Ottoman than Venetian, and more Ottoman than Venetian, Habsburg and French together.

So the conclusion is that the last time a Turk set foot there was around 300 years ago. Then up to 1918 it was exclusively part of the Western sphere of influence (201 years). After that it was part of the Balkan-Ottoman based Yugoslavia.

Nish for example didn't have even one day being part of the western sphere of influence.

[Varda]

So the conclusion is that the last time a Turk set foot there was around 300 years ago. Then up to 1918 it was exclusively part of the Western sphere of influence (201 years). After that it was part of the Balkan-Ottoman based Yugoslavia.

Nish for example didn't have even one day being part of the western sphere of influence.

Serbian army liberated Niš from Ottomans on January 11, 1878 (not some western power), and since then Niš is parts of modern Serbia.

Parts of present day Serbia which were the shortest period under the Ottomans are Bačka 161 years (1526-1687) and Banat 165 years (1551-1716). Bačka was under the Habsburgs 231 years (1687-1918), and Banat 202 years (1716-1918).

[Varda]

So the conclusion is that the last time a Turk set foot there was around 300 years ago. Then up to 1918 it was exclusively part of the Western sphere of influence (201 years). After that it was part of the Balkan-Ottoman based Yugoslavia.

Nish for example didn't have even one day being part of the western sphere of influence.

Yugoslavia was not Balkan-Ottoman based. Both kingdom of Yugoslavia and communist Yugoslavia were pro-western, and anti-Soviet (except in the short period from 1945 to 1948). Kingdom of Yugoslavia was pro-French (and pro-British to some degree), and communist Yugoslavia was pro-British/American and western "Trojan Horse" in communist block. Because of that the United States has pumped several hundred billion $ in Yugoslavia from 1950 to 1970. Due to this money Yugoslavia was industrialized, the standard has risen, and YU became military the strongest Balkan country. Standard in communist Yugoslavia was quite higher than in Bulgaria, Romania, Albania, Hungary, Soviet Union etc. Country was open towards the west culturally, for example Yugoslavian pop and rock scene were the richest in the world after American and British. Non-Aligned Movement founded by Yugoslavian dictator Josip Broz Tito was one of the his anti-Soviet operations secretly arranged with Brits and Americans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement

[Archduke]

Yugoslavia was not Balkan-Ottoman based. Both kingdom of Yugoslavia and communist Yugoslavia were pro-western, and anti-Soviet (except in the short period from 1945 to 1948). Kingdom of Yugoslavia was pro-French (and pro-British to some degree), and communist Yugoslavia was pro-British/American and western "Trojan Horse" in communist block. Because of that the United States has pumped several hundred billion $ in Yugoslavia from 1950 to 1970. Due to this money Yugoslavia was industrialized, the standard has risen, and YU became military the strongest Balkan country. Standard in communist Yugoslavia was quite higher than in Bulgaria, Romania, Albania, Hungary, Soviet Union etc. Country was open towards the west culturally, for example Yugoslavian pop and rock scene were the richest in the world after American and British. Non-Aligned Movement founded by Yugoslavian dictator Josip Broz Tito was one of the his anti-Soviet operations secretly arranged with Brits and Americans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement

Don't forget that we tallk about mentality here. The way Yugoslavia was ruled during the years doesn't really matter.

You can count the years of Ottoman domination in each town in former Yugoslavia if you want. At the end, ex-yugo countries are closer to other Balkan states and Turkey. As I said, we can exclude Slovenia and more or less Croatia, but today they are heavily Balkan influenced because of Yugoslavia.

[Varda]

Don't forget that we tallk about mentality here. The way Yugoslavia was ruled during the years doesn't really matter.

You can count the years of Ottoman domination in each town in former Yugoslavia if you want. At the end, ex-yugo countries are closer to other Balkan states and Turkey. As I said, we can exclude Slovenia and more or less Croatia, but today they are heavily Balkan influenced because of Yugoslavia.

You said Yugoslavia was Ottoman based. It wasn't. Acually modernization and westernization of many Serbs, Bosniaks, Croatians etc, even Albaniabs to some degree happened in Yugoslavia. For example Bosniaks were almost fully Middle Eastern culturally, by way of life etc. and Yugoslavia (especally communist one) converted them to European like people. Mass education of all ethnicities started in communist Yugoslavia including Muslims women who were 100% illiterate before 1945 and whose only sense of existence was to produce children and to be some kind of slave for husband.