What is more pathetic? Christian Identity or Neopaganism?

[Óttar]

I object to the use of the term "neopagan" and advocate a return to traditional polytheism. I think "neopaganism" has unfortunately become infected with too much hippie bullshit and modern 21st century sensibilities, one huge example of which being objections to animal sacrifice when animal sacrifice was basically the main ritual of traditional polytheistic systems and embodies the old ethos. A huge chunk of the Roman economy was based on ritual animal sacrifice and employed thousands of people: priests, butchers, merchants, oracles, ritual specialists, etc.

A modern polytheistic revival would benefit much from basing its reconstruction on scholarly and archaeological, epigraphic materials rather than crystal balls, faggy costumes, and glitter.

I've always said, supposing polytheism had remained the socially and politically ascendant system throughout history up until modern times, would polytheists be wearing LARP-y clothing from 1,000 years ago, or crappy 12th century French "Arthurian" fantasies? The answer is a resounding "NO!"

Polytheistic gatherings should be imbued with a sense of mystery and solemnity. Practitioners should dress in fresh, clean, clothing to promote a spirit of dignity and to honor the gods and ancestors.

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Christian Identity is based on 19th century Anglo-Israelite White supremacy bullshit, so I will refrain from treating that subject in any detail.

[Decius]

Neopaganism

[Odin]

Neopaganism.

[Longbowman]

Why specifically 'Christian identity' and not 'Christianity'? What is Christian Identity specifically supposed to mean?

read the thread

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity

[Hruodberht]

Neo-paganism is garbage and incompatible with the current state of society/civilization.

To me, the pedophilia of the priests is much more incompatible, as too the policies of white genocide promoted by the Vatican.

The vast majority of modern western pagans are New Age/hippie types.

The two largest confessions Asatru of Spain, COE and Alfrothul (I belong to the first, active for almost 40 years) is openly anti-globalist and anti-Islamization.

In the case of Alfrothul, as well as Asatru Folk Assembly they have agreement with the national government, so that our soldiers can practice Asatru in the army Where have you seen a military hippie?

It's funny that you say that we are hippies when since the 90's, the Asatru is in the spotlight for being practiced by right-wing extremists ...
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-h...religion-march

In the case of the Slavic countries the same pattern is repeated, the Polish, Russian and Ukrainian Rodnoveries they are known to be very nationalistic and patriotic ...

What do you have left then? Wicca a religion new age universalist 100%, and a few universalist Asatru organizations in the European Northend and South America, whatever they say, a non-European practicing an ethnic religion is not well seen....

To be fair using 'this religion preserves ethnic cohesion' as a reason for adherence instead of 'this religion is true' is a bit weak.

However, Christian Identitarianism is not Christianity, and it goes way beyond the general basic logical errors of your average neopagan.

The vast majority of pagans are normal people with their jobs, their children, and their bills to pay, with spiritual needs that Christianity has not been able to satisfy. Nationalist motivations are something totally secondary to them.

[Loki]

To me, the pedophilia of the priests is much more incompatible, as too the policies of white genocide promoted by the Vatican.

I'm a Christian and I agree with you about the sins of the Vatican and its priests.

In any case, this thread's debate is not about Christianity vs Neopaganism, but about Christian Identity (a political-ethno-religious cult) vs Neopaganism -- as Longbowman and Ottar have pointed out.

[sun_circle]

I don't really know much about it, but I do know that Christianity forms the basis for an endless, unsustainable dynamic, particularly the less paganised Anglo version. It's weird because I've never believed in any god so I can't imagine if it's possible to authentically have a neopagan 'religion', but there are some who say that it was rather a way of life and a system of knowledge, so perhaps it is compatible with science. It would need to become something that isn't paganism to be authentic, though I hope that it is the way forward as I don't like Christianity because it's essentially a death cult that supports islam. Perhaps I have unmet spiritual needs? I think that a genuine secular artform could help considerably with that. I see pagan mythology as more sophisticated with respect to science, whilst Christianity is more sophisticated with respect to peoples and civilisations, hence we now live in a 'multicultural' society.

I take a Darwinian perspective on religions, and think that they each had things that were necessary to survive as a civilisation at different times.

Christianity teaches self-discipline and long-term social survival, paganism teaches harmony with nature and sanctity of life, with elevation of impulses and desires into ritual.

[Valkyrion]

Every religious movement is born out of primitive instinct in human nature which is need for belonging to group.

There's virtually no difference between believing in astrology or tarot for example and believing in any religion, since there's no single empirical evidence for any of that.

Many atheists drown too deep in cowardly conformism constantly repeating that they have respect for religion and that theology is real humanistic science that can't be compared to pseudo-scientific non-senses like law of attraction or astrology, even though both are equally superstitious while only difference is that religion is still to this day taken serious enough to have apparent consequences and that's why is far more dangerous as well.

[Hexachordia]

Scriptures are the basis of zionist racism, aryanist racism is based on a dysfunctional cultism. Paganism today is seen through a manufactured perspective of corrupted christianity and the ever corrupting Money Cultism sold with the bonus of tribalist racism, therefore the ugly witch would seem to be the angel to the already disfugured visions. The better the religion, the easier to get people immersed in greater falsity, this is the trick of communism, they would give up great knowledges to you but not the way to command them, and then, they would mislead people into their trap set right within the acknowledged jurisdiction of the given knowledges, just like giving a monkey a bomb to bomb its own fellows in a jest. Christianity is a great religion, but it can become a deadly dope to those who can not get the real stuff by themselves. Paganism is dysfunctional, simply put.

[sean]

Neopaganism.

On an interesting note, all modern neopaganism is based on Wicca. Although, something like Wicca is actually a functional religion. It has defined beliefs and practices. You might not believe in any of it, but the same goes for any other religion you don't adhere to. You might think Mormonism is a load of rubbish and Joseph Smith was liar but its still a functional religion.

Same goes for other Western esoteric religions like Thelema and even various kind of Satanism and Demonolatry. You've even got Asatru practitioners who have rituals and magic(k) practices like rune work, as well as other ethnic traditions like Stregheria and other kinds of folk magic from Europe and North America.

Compared to all that, Neopaganism comes across like the retarded cousin. It hardly if ever seems to involve any discussion rituals, practices and theory/beliefs. All it seems to be is a token lip service to a past tradition to bash Christianity with and pretend you're not an atheist. Occasionally mixed in with bullshit historical theories like Varg's. All he's ever talked about are his dumb theories about Neanderthals and race, not about how to be an actual practicing Pagan.

Christian Identity is based off of British Israelism (there's a Christian Identity belief that one of the Apostles came to some place in London, I believe to what’s now St. Paul’s Cathedral? to preach, but was arrested by the Romans).

It is a Zionist theory that Brits descended from the tribe of Judah, they shilled for the modern nation state of Israel as well, all to get the Balfour Declaration which granted them Israel.

I also think Nazis inspired a lot of Christian Identity stuff with the idea of being the Lost Tribe, and they drew from a Viennese writer's Ariosophy from decades before them, and from British Israelism.

It's now basically Christian fundamentalism with the twist that the ancient Hebrews (the chosen of God and all that) were Aryans and modern Jews are the literal spawn of Satan who usurped the name. The white version of those "das rite" black Hebrew guys.

It is very reminiscent of an episode from The Boondocks called White Heaven.

Spoiler!