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    Default Y-DNA of Germans from Silesia, Pomerania, Pomerelia and Prussia

    Using these maps (links below), I collected data about Y-DNA haplogroups of people who lived there before WW2. I only counted people from areas which are today parts of Poland, Russia (Kaliningrad Oblast) and Lithuania. I did not count people from German part of Pomerania and from Czech part of Silesia. However, it is still possible that I missed some people in these areas which I included in my calculation, so feel free to add some missing ones if you have enough time to check and analyze these maps on your own.

    If you know also other links with similar data on this subject, post them please:

    https://www.familytreedna.com/public/polish?iframe=ymap

    https://www.familytreedna.com/public/polish?iframe=ymap

    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...x?section=ymap

    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ny?iframe=ymap

    1. Pomerania & Pomerelia - 50 individuals:

    R1a haplogroup - 26 (52%):

    Fedrinand Quandt born in year 1817 in Wierzchowo (German: Virchow) R-M512
    Schoenbach born 1849 Deutsch Crone R-Z93
    Gottlieb Zemke born 1820 Neustettin R-M198
    Herbert Hinz born 1914 Szczecin (Stettin) R-M512
    Fredrick Hedke born 1840 Karolina Trzcianka R-M458, R-L1029
    Peter Hundt born 1844 Wałcz R-M417, R-CTS3402
    Martin Riebschlaeger born 1838 Wałcz R-M417, R-M512
    Albert Grade born 1833 Zelgniewo R-M17, R-M417
    Ernst Johann Karl Thiede born 1885 Debrzno (Friedland), R-Z280, R-L366
    Friedrich Wendt born 1862 Dominikowo R-M417, R-M512
    Gotthilf Marcks born 1817 Bielice (Wittenfelde) R-Z280, R-CTS3402
    Wilhelm Michelske born Dębczyno (Denzin) R-Z280, R-L365
    Theodor Klagge born Kołtki R-M458, R-CTS11962
    Carl Poch born 1800 Miastko (Rummelsburg), R-Z280, R-L365
    Theophil Sabisch born 1855 Płotówko (Klein Platenheim) R-M458, R-CTS11962
    Johann Friedrich Lietzke born 1827 Darzewo (Darsow) near Treptow, R-Z280, R-CTS3402
    Wilhelm August Selke born 1849 Przystawy R-M458, R-L1029
    Rudolf Wodtke born 1836 Lębork (Lauenburg), R-M417, R-M512
    Daniel Kopittke born 1810 Zwartowo R-Z280, R-L365
    Benjamin Wedel born 1796 Malbork near Stężyca, R-Z280, R-CTS3402
    David Schamp born Stobno (Stobbendorf) R-M417 predicted R-M512
    Nickolas Yambarske born 1830 Gdańsk (Danzig) R-M417, R-M198
    Marcin Brandt born 1845 Swaroszyn near Lubiszewo Tczewskie R-M458, R-M198
    Martin Kusch born 1844 Starogard Gdański R-Z280, R-M417
    Martin Brehmer born 1845 Szczecin (Stettin) R-M417, R-M512
    Joseph Fridach born 1840 Plachty R-M417 predicted R-M512

    I1 & I2 haplogroups - 8 (16%):

    Wilhelm Henrich Riewe born 1834 Drawsko Pomorskie I-M253
    Liefhold born Słupsk (Stolp) I-Z138
    Christoph Kortbein born 1730 Choszczno (Reichenbach) I-CTS9352
    Moses Leiser born 1820 Dobrzany I-P37, M423+
    Albert Martin Hermann born 1846 Treblin I-M253, Z58
    Jozef G. Doppke born Gniewowo I-M253, Z58
    Julius Albrecht Liedtke born 1837 Lniano (Jeziorken) I-M253, DF29+
    Bernhardt Noffz / Noffs born 1830 Niemica I-M253

    R1b haplogroup - 11 (22%):

    Carl Ludwig Herman Ginnow born 1827 Paproty R-M269
    Carl Gustav Meyer born 1782 Stargard Szczeciński R-M269
    Jakob Majer-Wajskop born 1905 Sławno, R1b-V88, R-P25
    Erdmann Kniephoff born 1763 Maszewo R-M269
    Johann FW Jahnke born 1845 Elwershagen, Świdwin (Schivelbein), R-U106, R-L47
    Marcus Wolsleger born 1599 Brzezie (Eickfier) R1b-Z2103, R-L150
    Ambrosius Mannigel born 1806 Budzyń near Chodzież (Kolmar), R1b-DF27
    Adalbert Ratza born 1798 Czersk R-M269
    Joseph Ratza born 1828 Legbąd R-M269
    Christoph Radke born 1785 Vandsburg R-M269
    Peter Johann Quiring, born 1792 Piecewo R1b-L48

    T haplogroup - 1 (2%):

    William Fleischfresser born 1846 Gross Justin T-L208

    E haplogroup - 1 (2%):

    Christian Ahlmann born Braunsberg Kreis Naugard E-L117

    N haplogroup - 3 (6%):

    Karow born near Smętowo Chmieleńskie N-L550, N-L591
    Georg Otto Dunkel born 1873 Holm Gdańsk (Danzig) N-L550, L1025+
    Martin Prinz born 1862 Konarzyny N-L550, N-M178

    2. Prussia - 46 individuals:

    R1a haplogroup - 25 (54,3%):

    Martin Kiehl born 1760 Stobbendorf R-M458, R-M512
    Johann Michael Sommerfeld born 1750 Tujsk R-Z280, R-L365
    Michael Flatau born 1800 Stary Dzierzgoń (Alt Christburg) R-M417, R-M512
    Georg Gottlieb Gutt born 1729 Brodnica R-Z280, R-CTS3402
    Felyx Pruhs born 1826 Bratjan R-M198, R-M417
    Friedrich Mattern born 1717 Miłakowo R-Z280, R-CTS456
    Johann Pieczkowski born 1824 Różnowo (Rosenau) R-Z280, R-M512
    Mikel Bujnicki born 1844 Rogajny near Pasłęk R-M458, R-L260
    Jakob Pawellek born 1853 Szczytno (Ortelsburg) R-Z280, R-L365
    George Glass born 1810 Babięty R-M417, R-Z280
    Ludwig Ermis born 1822 Gruenwalde (near Ortelsburg) R-Z280, R-CTS456
    Samuel Liedtke born 1853 Kalwagi (Kaltwangen) R-M458, R-L260
    Franz Pallaschke born 1883 Buddern (Budry) R-Z280, R-CTS1211
    Otto Ernst Kloth born 1702 R-Z280, R-Z92
    Leopold Lau born 1867 Compehnen R-M417, R-M512
    Simon Netke born 1686 Koenigsberg R-Z280, R-M512
    Fred Lichtenstein born 1870 Koenigsberg R-Z280, R-L366
    Carl Labinsky born 1840 Trempen R-Z280, R-M417
    Martin Kurschus born Klaipeda (Memel) R1a-M512
    Jablonski born Koenigsberg R1a-M198
    Christian Nikel born Zabrowo 1780 R1a-CTS10893
    Karl August Rosenbaum born 1830 Mamonovo R1a-M512
    August Czeranna born 1864 Gross Schoendamerau R-M512
    Johann Piasetzki born 1860 Sensburg R-CTS3402
    Scheffrahn born Kętrzyn (Rastenburg) R-M417

    T haplogroup - 1 (2,2%):

    Michael Hohenfeld born in Tolkmicko T-M70

    N haplogroup - 11 (23,9%):

    Johann Groening born 1800 Krzewiny (Horsterbusch) N-L731
    Johann Reihs born 1800 Bisztynek (Bischofstein), N-L550, N-L1025
    August Darge born 1870 Bartenstein (Bartoszyce), N-L550, L1025+, N-M178
    Jan Łozowski born 1850 N-L550, N-L551
    Michael Bannuscher born 1729 Schoenfeld N-L550, N-M232
    Jons Maczullatis born 1745 Skaisgirren (Skajzgiry), N-L550
    Jurgis Lunczyns born 1715 Mosteiten N-L550, L1025+
    Wilhelm Edward Spangehl born 1819 Ragnit N-L550, L1025+
    Julius Baltrusch born 1874 Campinschken near Tilsit N-L550, N-M178
    Joannes Reihs born 1800 Bisztynek (Bischofstein) N-L1025
    Wannagat born 1880 Jogeln, Goeritten, N-M178

    R1b haplogroup - 4 (8,7%):

    Heinrich Bartel born 1766 Grudziądz (Graudenz) R-M269, R-U106
    Ignatius Reis born 1858 Wabcz R-M269
    Johann Voelkner born 1748 Rodnowo (Reddenau) R-M269
    Jacob Preuschoff born 1575 Klejnówko (Klenau) R1b-L48

    J haplogroup - 1 (2,2%):

    Wolf Zimak alias Simon Freybuschewitz born Dąbrówno (Gilgenburg) died 1884 J-M172, J-PF5456

    I1 & I2 haplogroups - 4 (8,7%):

    Michael Rimek born 1723 Szczytno (Ortelsburg), I-P37, M423+
    Gustav Schedlinski born Jeziorowskie (Seedorf) I-M253
    Carl L. Nath born 1820 Osterode I-M423
    Ludwig Muller born 1858 Mamonovo I-Z260

    3. Silesia - 43 individuals:

    R1a haplogroup - 27 (62,8%):

    Schmerse born in 1500 near Gorzów Wlkp. R-M417, R-M512
    Christian Friedrich Tuerk born 1690 Gorzów Wlkp. R-M458, R-L260
    Daniel Lehmann born 1785 Alt Lietzegoericke R-M458, R-M512
    Johann Paeschke born 1757 Kalsko (Kalzig) R-M417, predicted R-M512
    Christian Friedrich Abraham born 1824 Zatom Nowy (Eichberg), R-Z280, R-M512
    George Zeretzke born 1734 Nowy Tomyśl R-M458, CTS11962+, R-M512
    Johann Christoph Schulze born Kałki R-M458, R-L260
    Willy Wederich born 1921 Zielona Góra (Gruenberg), R-M417, predicted R-M512
    Matheus Vogt born 1841 Zielona Góra (Gruenberg), R-M458, R-L260
    Valentine Kruszka born 1843 Srebrna Góra (Silberberg) R-M458, R-L260
    Paul George Schober born 1863 Wałbrzych (Altwasser) R-M458, R-CTS11962
    Joseph Lassota born 1820 Oleśnica (Oels) R-M417, predicted R-M512
    John Godfried Warkus born 1801 Wrocław (Breslau) R-M458, R-L260
    Gottfried Runge born 1720 Rawicz (Rawitsch) R-M458, R-CTS11962 predicted R-M512
    Schwabe born 1836 Milicz (Militsch) R-M458, R-L1029
    Stephan Pach born 1857 Laskowice R-M458, R-L260, P Type
    Johann Hannak born 1776 Niemodlin (Falkenberg) R-M458, R-L260
    Gregor Freyer born 1753 Stare Karmonki (Karmonke) R-M458, R-M198
    Willi Kleemann born 1925 Opole (Oppeln) R-Z280, R-P278
    Thomas Sakry born 1783 Komprachcice R-M198, R-M458, L260+, P Type
    Reinhold Salzmann born 1873 Głubczyce R-Z280, R-Z92
    Salamon Halevi Wexler born 1768 Kłobuck R-Z93, Z94+, R-M512
    Martin Maxelon born 1708 Błotnica Strzelecka R-M512, R-M417
    Johann Schembor born 1666 Lubliniec R-M417, CTS1211, R-M512
    Andreas Kocur born 1800 Niewiesze R-Z280, R-P278
    Matthias Schneider born 1830 Wilamowice R-M458, R-L260
    Johann Fehlberg born 1823 Trzebinia R-Z280, R-L365

    R1b haplogroup - 3 (7,0%):

    Friedrick Wilhelm Schulz born 1820 Żagań (Sagan) R1b-U106, R-CTS2509
    Karl August Adolph Quade born 1836 near Wrocław (Breslau) R-M269
    Willi Otto Robert Hermann Schmidt born 1900, Nowa Sól, R1b-P312

    I1 & I2 haplogroups - 3 (7,0%):

    Johann Christoph Rosenberger born 1720 Kłodzko (Glatz) I-M253, I-Z140
    Franciszek Klem born 1874 Jaworzno I-M253
    Josef Botur born Tarnowskie Góry I-M253, Z63, I-M170

    J haplogroup - 4 (9,3%):

    Albert Gill born 1863 near Wrocław (Breslau) J-M172, J-M67
    Norbert Gabel born 1936 Wrocław (Breslau) J-M172, J-M92
    Peter Zwiefka born 1855 Wrocław (Breslau) J-M12, M241+, J-L283
    Yakov Gutfrajnd born 1790 Praszka J-M267, J-P58, L147+

    G haplogroup - 3 (7,0%):

    Moses Broda born 1584 Bolesławiec (Bunzlau) G-M377, G-M201
    Leib Ader born 1889 Podkamień G-M377
    Bruno Beidel born 1850 Gliwice, Puola G-P15 G-CTS9737

    N haplogroup - 2 (4,7%):

    Heinrich Blach born 1895 Górki N-L550, L1025+, N-M178
    Meisel Rydułtowy N-L550, L1025+, N-M232

    Q haplogroup - 1 (2,3%):

    Jan Hirsch born 1881 Mikołów Q-L275, Q-M378

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    Hmmm.. Prussians have similar genetics with some populations of Central Russians and Silesians with some population of South Russians.


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    TOTAL for all regions - 139 individuals:

    R1a haplogroup - 78 (56,1%)
    R1b haplogroup - 18 (13,0%)
    I1 & I2 haplogroups - 15 (10,8%)
    N haplogroup - 16 (11,5%)
    J haplogroup - 5 (3,6%)
    G haplogroup - 3 (2,2%)
    T haplogroup - 2 (1,4%)
    E haplogroup - 1 (0,7%)
    Q haplogroup - 1 (0,7%)

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    Well, generally they have mostly Slavic and Baltic genetics.

    So they were mostly Germanized Slavs and Balts it seems.

    Percent of R1a is similar to this among modern Poles.

    Also a high percent of N among Prussian Germans.

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    In the OP I posted the same link twice. Instead of one of them, this link should be there:

    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...rn?iframe=ymap
    Last edited by Peterski; 03-30-2015 at 10:03 PM.

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    Some of the people are Jews.

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    Looks Slavic to me with some being Jewish(J carriers).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toppo900 View Post
    Looks Slavic to me with some being Jewish(J carriers).
    In other haplos as well. Example:

    Salamon Halevi Wexler born 1768 Kłobuck R-Z93, Z94+, R-M512

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pine View Post
    In other haplos as well. Example:

    Salamon Halevi Wexler born 1768 Kłobuck R-Z93, Z94+, R-M512
    The haplogroup Z93 is commonly found in Jewish Levites and Shammari Arab Bedouins which is very rare in Europeans since it originated in Asia where most Aryan and Tocharian samples belong to.

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    These are Hebrews:

    Moses Broda born 1584 Bolesławiec (Bunzlau) G-M377, G-M201
    Leib Ader born 1889 Podkamień G-M377

    Jan Hirsch born 1881 Mikołów Q-L275, Q-M378

    Yakov Gutfrajnd born 1790 Praszka J-M267, J-P58, L147+

    Salamon Halevi Wexler born 1768 Kłobuck R-Z93, Z94+, R-M512

    Most likely Hebrews:

    Albert Gill born 1863 near Wrocław (Breslau) J-M172, J-M67
    Norbert Gabel born 1936 Wrocław (Breslau) J-M172, J-M92

    Probably a Hebrew:

    Wolf Zimak alias Simon Freybuschewitz born Dąbrówno (Gilgenburg) died 1884 J-M172, J-PF5456

    Almost surely more in there that aren't as obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pine View Post
    These are Hebrews:

    Moses Broda born 1584 Bolesławiec (Bunzlau) G-M377, G-M201
    Leib Ader born 1889 Podkamień G-M377

    Jan Hirsch born 1881 Mikołów Q-L275, Q-M378

    Yakov Gutfrajnd born 1790 Praszka J-M267, J-P58, L147+

    Salamon Halevi Wexler born 1768 Kłobuck R-Z93, Z94+, R-M512

    Most likely Hebrews:

    Albert Gill born 1863 near Wrocław (Breslau) J-M172, J-M67
    Norbert Gabel born 1936 Wrocław (Breslau) J-M172, J-M92

    Probably a Hebrew:

    Wolf Zimak alias Simon Freybuschewitz born Dąbrówno (Gilgenburg) died 1884 J-M172, J-PF5456

    Almost surely more in there that aren't as obvious.
    Well, most of the Y-DNA of western Jewish peoples like Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews belong to Middle Eastern haplogroups which shares in common with other genetic isolated Levantine groups like Christians, Druze and Samaritans.

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