Who is greater French, Iberians or Germans

[Empecinado]

When comes to military science and territorial and cultural expansion, Spain by far.

[EL_BARBARO]

Iberian countries (Portugal and Spain) made know the world to the rest of the known world, spreading the western civilization, creating new trade routes, nearing people of the whole world, etc. etc.

Until the facts of the iberian countries the world was small. After their facts the world is as known as nowadays.

What both countries have made on their own in and for History of Mankind, no other countries have before made ever and till now never surpassed, at least by French, German and British, till perhaps the beginning of the space race, supported by several countries nowadays.

I voted for Iberian countries. Chauvinism, said someone? Please go first to school after stating nonsenses.

[Insuperable]

Germans followed by French.

[Taiga Lake]

Out of those three i'm gonna go with France, best language, best looking women, best culture, best everything, though i do like the look of German towns.

[Insuperable]

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[Prism]

Germans definitely.
I am no nationalist ( well maybe I am ), but they helped us ( Croatians + Bosniaks and Albanians ) in ww2.
Germany also helped by getting Croatia into the EU and making Kosovo independent.

[Jehan]

When comes to military science and territorial and cultural expansion, Spain by far.

By far? Nobody said spain, so you probably overestimate the spanish influence.

Here are some number i found:

Spanish empire 60 000 000 population in 1790. 27 000 000 km2
French empire 110 631 000 population in 1936. 21 500 000 km2

In military science except the "tercio", i'm not sure spanish invent a lot of stuff and were at the top in this field.

[Suleiman Arian]

Germans in terms of innovation. French in terms of attraction.

[Ryujin]

Vivé la France.

Long Live the Jacobins.

[Empecinado]

By far? Nobody said spain, so you probably overestimate the spanish influence.

Here are some number i found:

Spanish empire 60 000 000 population in 1790. 27 000 000 km2
French empire 110 631 000 population in 1936. 21 500 000 km2

In military science except the "tercio", i'm not sure spanish invent a lot of stuff and were at the top in this field.

If anything, Spanish influence is underrated because the leyenda negra and also because we are bad when comes to propaganda.

-First Marine forces (Infantería de Marina): Spain
-First modern navy: Spain
-First professional army (Tercios): Spain
-First regular army to incorporate guerrilla tactics: Spain
-First modern battle (Cerignola): Spain
-Invention of frigate ship: Spain
-First corps of military engineers: Spain
-First military hospital: Spain
-Invention of trench warfare: Spain
-Invention of total war concept: Spain

Many of them creations of Gonzalo Fernández de Córdova. He was the founder of modern warfare.