Iranians were considered Aryans by Hitler and Nazi Regime

[Mortimer]

I think they are caucasians and indo-europeans so it could make sense

[Aleida]

AND Inscription of Darius the Great at Naqsh-e- Rostam:

''I am Darius the Great King, King of Kings, King of countries containing all kinds of men, King in this great earth far and wide, son of Hystaspes, an Achaemenian, a Persian, son of a Persian, an Aryan, having Aryan lineage.''

[N1019]

It was vacuous rhetoric for strategic purposes, and the Persians loved it. Germany had become Persia's main trading partner by the late 1930s and they wanted good relations with Persia for their own benefit. The Persians, for their part, had been playing off Britain, Russia and Germany against each other since the 1920s. In the short term it benefited Persia but eventually led to disaster. You can't get away with playing off imperial powers against each other forever.

For Persians, Aryanism was more cultural, whereas for the Germans it was genetic pseudoscience. This led to clashes over the classification of Persian Jews, whom the Persians insisted be classed as Aryan! There was heated debate about whether Persia should be accepted as Aryan at all, but to classify Persian Jews as Aryan was unthinkable.

Reza Shah's flirtation with Hitler ultimately cost him the throne when Britain and Russia decided to invade Iran in 1941. The British reluctantly chose Reza (Khan) Shah's son, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, to replace him and the risks associated with Germany's influence were eliminated. Britain and later America became firmly entrenched as the dominant imperial power in Iran from 1941 to 1979. As the Anglo-Americans began to lose control of Persia again - this time under Mohammad Reza Shah - it is widely held that they sought to discredit, undermine and remove him as part of broader changes for the entire Middle East that involved the use of religious extremism and sectarian tension on an unprecedented scale.

Without the need to worry about condemnation for the Holocaust from Iran, Germany and Iran retain a relatively good relationship to this day. Many Iranians still draw attention to their Aryanism, to contrast them against the Arabs. The Germans are happy to do business with Iran and many German tourists visit each year. However, they are reluctant to indulge ongoing references to Aryanism from Iran with substantive responses.

Iranians should stop and think about what Germany might have done to Iran had it won the war in Europe or become more desperate to access Iranian oil, etc.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

For Persians, Aryanism was more cultural, whereas for the Germans it was genetic pseudoscience.

If there's anything that got proved by the advent of genetics, it's that europeans and aryans are basically the same. Aryans = r1a peoples.East europe and all central area were indo iranian.

And that is something I didn't really expect. There was no "aryan invasian" though, it turns out to go back many thousands of years. Persians also definitely came down out of plains as well, there's not really any doubt.

[Boz-hakan]

If there's anything that got proved by the advent of genetics, it's that europeans and aryans are basically the same. Aryans = r1a peoples.East europe and all central area were indo iranian.

And that is something I didn't really expect. There was no "aryan invasian" though, it turns out to go back many thousands of years. Persians also definitely came down out of plains as well, there's not really any doubt.

Do you believe in "Out of Iran" theory? Or Anatolian hypothesis? Iran is the source of R1*?

According to Eupedia:
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/europe...logroups.shtml

Iran: R1a 16.5%, R1b 6.5%, and G 10%. Only 1/3 of Iran's population is related to Aryans (have Aryan ancestry). Looks like a Aryanized country than a source.

[gültekin]

Do you believe in "Out of Iran" theory? Or Anatolian hypothesis? Iran is the source of R1*?

According to Eupedia:
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/europe...logroups.shtml

Iran: R1a 16.5%, R1b 6.5%, and G 10%. Only 1/3 of Iran's population is related to Aryans (have Aryan ancestry). Looks like a Aryanized country than a source.

Iranian =/= Persian. those R's in iran belongs to azeris. persians score J
https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ction=yresults
and here the Yamnaya_K6 results
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...htmlview?pli=1

[Boz-hakan]

Iran=/= Persian. those R's in iran belongs to azeris. persians score J
https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ction=yresults

So Azeris were Aryan? But in the Eupedia link Azeris (from Azerbaijan) are 7% R1a and 11% R1b, not much. Also, it's about the whole population of Iran, not a specific ethnic group. Eastern Iranians have a high amount of R1a, and they are not Azeri, but Persian.

Also, these maps show both group have R1a, specially Tajiks and Afghan Persians:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._Y-DNA.svg.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._in_Europe.png

And you see other Persian-speaking (and other Iranic-speaking) Areas have that hg too.

[finþaų]

Stop it you guys, you're going to kill a bunch of Iranians by giving them a dopamine overdose.

[gültekin]

So Azeris were Aryan? .

of course not , that is the point

But in the Eupedia link Azeris (from Azerbaijan) are 7% R1a and 11% R1b, not much. Also, it's about the whole population of Iran, not a specific ethnic group. Eastern Iranians have a high amount of R1a, and they are not Azeri, but Persian.

Also, these maps show both group have R1a, specially Tajiks and Afghan Persians:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._Y-DNA.svg.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._in_Europe.png

And you see other Persian-speaking (and other Iranic-speaking) Areas have that hg too

those results of Iran is not just about Persians, they put anyone in the same bag,everyone can paint some such maps, just believe on what you can see with your own eyes,
like that
https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ction=yresults

[Kamal900]

So are the gypsies, and they were hated in Nazi Germany. I know that there are OWD Persians(i personally even know some in real life who like to claim they look Italian) who cream themselves every time they hear that to associate themselves to whites and etc, but the Persians i know here are more darker than the Syrian and the Lebanese people who are Semites. Being an Aryan is just a cultural term, nothing more. There's nothing remotely special about that term either.