Montenegrin Serb connection.

[alb0zfinest]

Le bump

[Minesweeper]

Let's start with this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onamo,_%27namo!

[Shqipez]

Somebody help this man.

[Шуло]

Chernogorians are mainly descendants of people which fled to mountains from new Ottoman rules in Serbia. It was something near 15-16 century. So they have serbian origin, but different history. Unlike other Serbs which fell under the turkish and musulmans dominion.

[alb0zfinest]

Chernogorians are mainly descendants of people which fled to mountains from new Ottoman rules in Serbia. It was something near 15-16 century. So they have serbian origin, but different history. Unlike other Serbs which fell under the turkish and musulmans dominion.

Source?

[Шуло]

Source?

http://wolf-kitses.livejournal.com/443437.html
(in russian, but you can try to google translate)

[Okirus]

According to genetic results (Y-chromosome) people of Montenegro are mix of Slavic and Balkan population.
According to historical sources (DAI in example), southern and central areas of present day Montenegro (Doclea) were settled by Slavs in 6th and 7th century, and northern and western parts parts of present day Montenegro were settled by Serbs in 7th century.

Crucial things that leads to the creation of Montenegrin national identity are decisions of "Podgorica assembly" in 1918. (personal opinion)

[Okirus]

They are genetically partially Slavs but with Vlah and Albanian influence, only the Southern part or the Brda Clans fall into the later category because of their common ancestry with North Albanian Clans. As for their identity, since history can remember them as such, they have identified as South Slavs or Serbs, because they are linguistically so. Overall actually they are not too different from Serbs in general, expect that Serbs have absorbed the low land indigenous populations, while in the case of Montenegrins, they have absorbed more Highlander Vlahs and Albanians, and are also more culturally akin to those both groups.

Source, me

I agree with you!

[Shqipez]

Well, if one thinks that when Slavs came to the Balkans, the indigenous population co-existed with them, meaning for a while allot of them carried Slavic surnames probably to not be persecuted, one can see this in allot of old Albanian tribes that allot of Albanians descendant from. For example, one of my villages is from the Kuqi/Kuci tribe. And there are allot of Serb/slav Montenigrins, or whatever they identify as, that have origin from this tribe too. Not only this tribe Also take a look at Y-DNA tests and it speaks for itself, south-Serbs/Montenigrins, lets just say that they are a mix of indigenous populations and slavs the same thing can be said for allot of Macedonian Slavs and Bulgarians, they are probably a mix of indigenous populations and slavs. This happened with most indigenous populations. for example the Samis in Scandinavia, allot of them were persecutated or had to change to Scandinavian names or abandon their culture.. like south of Norway became a mix of Samis and Norwegians, and allot of Norwegians have Sami ancestry, I think even today most Samis carry Norwegian name. There are some that carry Sami names.. the same thing with the Albanians, you had the Kastrioti family, and the dukagjini family with Albanian names and then you had the Crnojevic and the Balsic of Zeta with slavic names. This doesn't make them Slavic. but of course the early Albanians were written down as 'Serbs' and allot of them belonged to Serbian orthodoxy, simply of the fact that in allot of cases they didn't have their own state and were under occupation, sometimes they managed to get it, and then lose it again etc. it went back and forth if one reads history. Like some family clans had their own principalities and managed to get an independent state, but these families ran their own state and usually went to war with eachother unless there was a bigger enemy like the Ottomans.

[Vukodav]

If you guys want serious duscussion, I am all for it.
Montenegro is romanticised Serbian Sparta, place where during Ottoman occupation of Balkans people were fueled by myths and legends of fallen Serbian knights and glory of medieval Serbian realm. It helped them preserve religion, culture and partial autonomy. If there was not Montenegrins, than Sebia and Bosnia would probably been shapen differently, since all acts of rebelions were started in Mobtenegro.
It is imposible to separate us from Serbians because we are one, the exchange of populations happened way to many times that it is imposible to tell who hails from Serbia or Montenegro. There is a saying that every Serbian has at least one Montenegrin grandfather.
When it comes ti ethnic identification, we are highly egoistic people with superiority complex which led to recent creation of separate ethnicity and divided families and whole country on two parts- ethnic Serbs and ethnic Montenegrins.
I don't think it is really important thing for this topic since we all know basicaly what it is all about.
Albanian admixture in Montenegro is something that common people never heard of, especialy not in versions that some people here might constantly repeat.
There are no records or sources to confirm it and I am highly sceptical about it.
On the other side, native admixture is strong, there are numerous sources mentioning different Romanised people living in area of modern Montenegro alongside with Slavs and those people didn't hust disapear. they were assimilated and tgat is the whole story.
Probably some Albanians too.
My topic with texts connected to this thread
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...al-development