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Thread: Why are English-sounding Welsh people much more commonplace than English-sounding Scots?

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    Welsh are British Vlachs surrounded by English when Scots are like Gheg highlanders who developped a Trainspotting vocabulary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andullero View Post
    Nope. All three foundational groups of Scotland (Scots, Picts and Northern Welsh) were Celtic. The only outliers are the mutts in the Orkney islands (which are basically Celtic Nordics from the union of Scandos and native Celts during the Viking era) and the people of the Isle of Man.
    What ? the NorthEast of Scotland, in general, has heavy Norwegian Tronder-like influence not just Orkney but the Shetlands too and in the SouthEast Angle-Danish-Saxons where integrated.

    For instance, a real Scot might be something like Attacot(pictish)-Gaidhligh-Cymru-Angle-Danish-Norse(Norwegian) but in the lowlands there were admixture from Germanic Flemish artisans and in Ulster even straight kraut German and French Huegunots.

    I'm Attacot-Goidelic-Cymru-Angle-Danish-Norse-Elssasserdeutsch-Frankish or something like that. Scots are Celto-Germanic in between the native Irish/Welsh and the English/Germanics or at least lowland Scots are.

    The foundational group of Scotland is technically the Irish via Ulster they were the Scotti tribe of Dal Riata the Welsh of NorthCumbira, Picts etc... were integrated first then later the vikings and people from the kingdom of Northumbria (Germanic) were integrated then later Flemish artisans and French Hugeunots and krauts in Ulster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faklon View Post
    Welsh are British Vlachs surrounded by English when Scots are like Gheg highlanders who developped a Trainspotting vocabulary.
    In English please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    In English please?
    Memeing.



    The Trainspotting book includes a special Scottish-English glossary.

    Aromanians in Balkans (a lot of them merchants) speak with clear accents in contrast to many other villagers.

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    Why do I think that the Scots overdo their godawful accent unaware of its negative effect on human ears? Because who in their right mind would knowingly and indiscriminately inflict pain such as Craig Ferguson did on his now defunct talk show, which I watched for a while until I realized he wasn't going to attempt English like a normal human being. I had to quit watching for my own sanity. Almost as bad as watching a hoodrat talk show. To be fair, I also wouldn't watch a talk show with a Cajun host who over-did his accent like Craig did his own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faklon View Post
    Welsh are British Vlachs surrounded by English when Scots are like Gheg highlanders who developped a Trainspotting vocabulary.
    Welsh literally are British Vlachs, called Walha in Old English, akin to Wallach > Vlach, but I'm sure you already knew that. Still it's cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NSXD60 View Post
    Why do I think that the Scots overdo their godawful accent unaware of its negative effect on human ears? Because who in their right mind would knowingly and indiscriminately inflict pain such as Craig Ferguson did on his now defunct talk show, which I watched for a while until I realized he wasn't going to attempt English like a normal human being. I had to quit watching for my own sanity. Almost as bad as watching a hoodrat talk show. To be fair, I also wouldn't watch a talk show with a Cajun host who over-did his accent like Craig did his own.
    Craig ferguson sounds a bit American, not strong at all. I'm surprised people would struggle with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not a Cop View Post
    I guess British-English identity was considered more prestigious while Scottish had a rural hillybilly conatations to it?
    More-or-less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesBond007 View Post
    1.) Welsh is a celtic language not Germanic even if Welsh speak English like the Irish now

    2.) Scots is a Germanic closer to olde English than RP so saying RP is more 'English sounding' is not technically correct at least in a certain sense.
    There is still debate among linguists as to whether Scots is a dialect of English or a separate language in its own right. And in any case, even if it may have been closer to Olde English than is RP, that is largely a moot point as far as contemporary power dynamics and education are concerned.

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    It's the fucking accent. People with any aural sensitivity flee from it. As bad as the overdone Cajun accent on Swamp People, my Peeps, btw.

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