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[StonyArabia]

In a word....No.
How is it confusing for Iraqis to recognize their ancient heritage? That they are the descendants of the Assyrians and Babylonians should be a point of pride and is a basic fact of history.

Iraqis are mostly descendant of Bedouin tribes actually. The Mongols and Timurids massacred the original population. Today most Iraqis are of Bedouin stock from Arabia who settled the region. The following tribes that shape Iraq's population, Shammar, Bani Lam, Bani Tamim, Bani Truf, Al-Muntafaq, Al-Jubur, Al-Janabi, Rawallah, Anizah, Unizun, Mutar and some other tribes. The only thing that made difference was that these tribes converted to Shiaism in the 19th century, when they lost their nomadism and came under the influence of the Lebo-Persian clergy, since many of the Persian clergy came from Lebanon originally but were Persianized. These Shia clergy men took refuge in Iraq, after the Afghan invasion of Persia. Those of us who stayed nomadic were still Sunni and nominally Christian like the Akasheh tribe which is found in Jordan and western Iraq also of Bedouin origins. We are genetically Bedouins and are proud of our Arabian Bedouin culture. Northern Iraqi Sunni Arab are mostly descendants from the locals especially in Mosul and Tikrit. The rest of Iraqis especially those from the South are no different than Arabians of Arabia by culture, lineage or tradition, only by their sectarian affiliation which they got quite recently anyways.

[Iron Sheik]

Iraqis are mostly descendant of Bedouin tribes actually. The Mongols and Timurids massacred the original population. Today most Iraqis are of Bedouin stock from Arabia who settled the region. The following tribes that shape Iraq's population, Shammar, Bani Lam, Bani Tamim, Bani Truf, Al-Muntafaq, Al-Jubur, Al-Janabi, Rawallah, Anizah, Unizun, Mutar and some other tribes. The only thing that made difference was that these tribes converted to Shiaism in the 19th century, when they lost their nomadism and came under the influence of the Lebo-Persian clergy, since many of the Persian clergy came from Lebanon originally but were Persianized. These Shia clergy men took refuge in Iraq, after the Afghan invasion of Persia. Those of us who stayed nomadic were still Sunni and nominally Christian like the Akasheh tribe which is found in Jordan and western Iraq also of Bedouin origins. We are genetically Bedouins and are proud of our Arabian Bedouin culture. Northern Iraqi Sunni Arab are mostly descendants from the locals especially in Mosul and Tikrit. The rest of Iraqis especially those from the South are no different than Arabians of Arabia by culture, lineage or tradition, only by their sectarian affiliation which they got quite recently anyways.

Maybe the shammars and the southern Iraqis. But not the rest.

[StonyArabia]

Maybe the shammars and the southern Iraqis. But not the rest.

Most Iraqis are of Bedouin stock. Southern Iraqis are of Bedouin origins, but they converted to Shiaism in the 19th century. For example the Al-Muntafaq is the largest Shia Bedouin tribe, which has many clans belonging to it. The same is true of the Bani Lam tribe who were of Bedouin stock but converted to Shiaism, and as well other tribes did, but the nomadic tribes never did convert. Anyways most Iraqis are of Bedouin Arabian stock, except for those of the North.

[Iron Sheik]

Most Iraqis are of Bedouin stock. Southern Iraqis are of Bedouin origins, but they converted to Shiaism in the 19th century. For example the Al-Muntafaq is the largest Shia Bedouin tribe, which has many clans belonging to it. The same is true of the Bani Lam tribe who were of Bedouin stock but converted to Shiaism, and as well other tribes did, but the nomadic tribes never did convert. Anyways most Iraqis are of Bedouin Arabian stock, except for those of the North.

Why isn't this showing in admixture tests?

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Iraqis are mostly descendant of Bedouin tribes actually. The Mongols and Timurids massacred the original population. Today most Iraqis are of Bedouin stock from Arabia who settled the region. The following tribes that shape Iraq's population, Shammar, Bani Lam, Bani Tamim, Bani Truf, Al-Muntafaq, Al-Jubur, Al-Janabi, Rawallah, Anizah, Unizun, Mutar and some other tribes. The only thing that made difference was that these tribes converted to Shiaism in the 19th century, when they lost their nomadism and came under the influence of the Lebo-Persian clergy, since many of the Persian clergy came from Lebanon originally but were Persianized. These Shia clergy men took refuge in Iraq, after the Afghan invasion of Persia. Those of us who stayed nomadic were still Sunni and nominally Christian like the Akasheh tribe which is found in Jordan and western Iraq also of Bedouin origins. We are genetically Bedouins and are proud of our Arabian Bedouin culture. Northern Iraqi Sunni Arab are mostly descendants from the locals especially in Mosul and Tikrit. The rest of Iraqis especially those from the South are no different than Arabians of Arabia by culture, lineage or tradition, only by their sectarian affiliation which they got quite recently anyways.

I call bullshit.Very rarely are a people completely pushed out of their homeland and outbreed to the point where it fundamentally changes their DNA.
Southern Iraq would've been the home of the Babylonians and the Sumerians before that.This is apparent foremost in the southern marsh arabs and the mandeans.

[StonyArabia]

I call bullshit.Very rarely are a people completely pushed out of their homeland and outbreed to the point where it fundamentally changes their DNA.
Southern Iraq would've been the home of the Babylonians and the Sumerians before that.This is apparent foremost in the southern marsh arabs and the mandeans.

Marsh Arabs are of settled Bedouin stock, Mandeans are the last remains. Most Iraqis are of Bedouin stock as a result of Mongol and Timurid invasions. This has been confirmed by Polish scientists and our culture, and our genetics. We are not related to Iranic people at all.

[Iron Sheik]

Marsh Arabs are of settled Bedouin stock, Mandeans are the last remains. Most Iraqis are of Bedouin stock as a result of Mongol and Timurid invasions. This has been confirmed by Polish scientists and our culture, and our genetics. We are not related to Iranic people at all.

Citations?

[Iron Sheik]

In a word....No.
How is it confusing for Iraqis to recognize their ancient heritage? That they are the descendants of the Assyrians and Babylonians should be a point of pride and is a basic fact of history.

They're a mixture of mesopoatamians, persians, turkmen, anatolians, arabs and god knows what. In southern iraq even slave related east-african admixture is apparent. Calling them pure arabs or Babylonians is nonsense. Nabatea is from anbar or something. Which why he's religiously reciting this nonsense.

[StonyArabia]

Citations?

The Bani Sallama, Tayy and al-Soudan in the Mesopotamian Marshes were converted from Sunnism to Shi’ism by the Musha'sha'iyyah dynasty.[3][4]

From the late 18th century and onwards, there was a massive conversion of the majority of Iraq’s Sunni Arab tribes to Shi’ism (especially during the 19th century). The following tribes were converted during this period:[6] Some sections of Zubaid,[7][8] Banu Lam, al bu Muhammad, large sections of the Rabiah (including al-Dafaf'a, Bani Amir and al-Jaghayfa), Banu Tamim[8] (including their largest section in Iraq –Bani Sa’d), the Shammar Toga,[8] some sections of Dulaim, the Zafir, the Dawwar, the Sawakin, al-Muntafiq confederation,[9] the Bani Hasan (of the Bani Malik),[10] those of the Afak, the Bani Hukayyim, the Shibil (of the Khazal), the al Fatla,[11] the many tribes along the Hindiya canal, and the 5 tribes of Al Diwaniyah (Aqra’, Budayyir, Afak, Jubur and Jilaiha) that relied on the Daghara canal for their water supply.

Encyclopaedia of Islam, 2d ed. s.v. “Musha’sha, and Yitzhak Nakash The Shia of Iraq.

However the nomadic tribes that never settled and rejected the call of the Lebo-Persian clergy never converted and still adhere to the Bedouin way and code, even some were Christian like the Akasheh, basically those who stayed true to their Arabian Bedouin character. Although Shiaism originally was a Qahatantite movement which originated from Yemen.

They're a mixture of mesopoatamians, persians, turkmen, anatolians, arabs and god knows what. In southern iraq even slave related east-african admixture is apparent. Calling them pure arabs or Babylonians is nonsense. Nabatea is from anbar or something. Which why he's religiously reciting this nonsense.

Mesopotamians were extinct, and Turkoman/Persian admix is only found in the shrine cities, because the Bedouin tribes are very endogamous, only those who adopted Shiaism and lost all traces of their original culture might intermarry. Some Shia tribes though still adhere to the Bedouin way. Sunni Bedouins are highly endomgaous and rarely intermarry with others, and if they do its usually with Jordanians who are seen as their closest kin, and after that people of Northern Arabia.

[Iron Sheik]

Show us some dna evidence. You know there are several iraqis tested. Why are you not posting them?