What would you say colonial American is mostly a mixture of?

[Weedman]

Colonial Americans.. how many of you out there are left with purely English blood?

they don't exist.

unless maybe in Utah......

but I don't know if that is completely true 100%

[Gooding]

they don't exist.

unless maybe in Utah......

but I don't know if that is completely true 100%

Good thought.. but how many of those Englishmen came to Utah directly from the UK in the mid 1800s?

[Weedman]

I am descended from Scotch-Irish from Londonderry, New Hampshire, where the first American potato was grown.

and then they got corn from the Indians and they made moonshine!

lmfao

[zhaoyun]

English and Scotch Irish.

[Weedman]

Good thought.. but how many of those Englishmen came to Utah directly from the UK in the mid 1800s?

I always thought they were from earlier times in NE when it was mostly English.

they moved to Utah before any larger, non-British wave of immigrants started to come to NE.

I'm not exactly an expert on it or on Mormon history of settlement in Utah or anything

maybe some had Scottish or Scotch-Irish or French or even some Dutch ancestry from the time too but I guess they were predominantly English
most of all.

[Weedman]

Don't forget the NATIVE AMERICAN!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigen...f_the_Americas

there's a couple of maps that show the location of all the tribes in North America in the earlier colonial period and their culture groups.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populat...f_the_Americas

[HillY35]

Honestly, I think it is difficult to tell the admixtures of these three major components of what the thread brings attention to. Surnames are one way to measure, when we deal with eccentricities, which are reliable outliers. That is, some surnames are majorly "English," such as the place-names of Southeastern England, making it an easy identifier. Some facial features, likewise, reveal "eccentricities" of "majorly English" background, such as ruddiness of face, high cheekbones, wide-stretching smile-wrinkles (my opinions).
I'm wondering whether northern England had much share with such folk, and I'm wondering whether some Scotch-Irish have thoroughly English ancestry, as I have looked deeper into this question. I have also begun to wonder about the sizeable Welsh input into North America, based on surnames. The widespread usage of English in the British Isles adds confusion to the question of how "thoroughly English" an individual's ancestry might be, or "thoroughly Scottish," etc.
However I believe the human mind is capable of putting together an understanding of these things, though it be somewhat vague, and so such connecting the dots interests me as a North American with a peculiarly considerable English ancestry.
I am beginning to wonder if the English "element" of ethnicity is possibly overrated in America, just like historical "Norse" ethnic input in England is apparently showing itself to be very, very slim according to recent scientific attention.

[Weedman]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonia..._United_States

colonial history of the united states


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albions_Seed

Albion's Seed:4 British folkways in America

of earlier colonial settlers from the British Isles and some others too.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America...l_architecture

here's some of the different building styles they had then and where they came from.

[Weedman]

Honestly, I think it is difficult to tell the admixtures of these three major components of what the thread brings attention to. Surnames are one way to measure, when we deal with eccentricities, which are reliable outliers. That is, some surnames are majorly "English," such as the place-names of Southeastern England, making it an easy identifier. Some facial features, likewise, reveal "eccentricities" of "majorly English" background, such as ruddiness of face, high cheekbones, wide-stretching smile-wrinkles (my opinions).
I'm wondering whether northern England had much share with such folk, and I'm wondering whether some Scotch-Irish have thoroughly English ancestry, as I have looked deeper into this question. I have also begun to wonder about the sizeable Welsh input into North America, based on surnames. The widespread usage of English in the British Isles adds confusion to the question of how "thoroughly English" an individual's ancestry might be, or "thoroughly Scottish," etc.
However I believe the human mind is capable of putting together an understanding of these things, though it be somewhat vague, and so such connecting the dots interests me as a North American with a peculiarly considerable English ancestry.
I am beginning to wonder if the English "element" of ethnicity is possibly overrated in America, just like historical "Norse" ethnic input in England is apparently showing itself to be very, very slim according to recent scientific attention.

but I question whatever true Welsh ancestry there really is.

Take a surname like Evans, for example, from my own tree, that could be literally almost anything.

but I think its largely regional in the U.S.

there were many true welsh immigrants to Pennyslvania, the Delaware Valley at the time

but also, in the South, a lot of the English servants had come from this basic area of southern and south-west England ,that included Somerset, Bristol, Gloucestershire, Wiltshire etc. and also South Wales, and Monmothshire too etc.. generally.


that is really Anglo-Welsh more than anything else ,and any name found in south Wales or eastern Wales or the Marches can easily be found in neighboring English counties

again, I think a lot of the welsh names are actually just Anglo-Welsh most of all.


but again, its different where your family came from.
There was no specific Welsh migration to this area.
Most of those name are actually English or just Anglo-Welsh etc... or something


but again , in the Mid-Atlantic , and especially in the Delaware Valley ,there was some true Welsh migration at the time too, so that's different.

and I know anyone can have one name that maybe like that ,or welsh, but they don't usually count as a large part of your ancestry.

If your last name is Llwellyn ,and your family came from Northern or west Wales, that's one thing, but other than that, I seriously question any specific Welsh ancestry in colonial America to any degree.
except for the Delaware Valley and part of Pennsylvania, where there was some true Welsh migration to the area, but for other parts I think its more Anglo-Welsh than anything else.

even names like Bevans, Price, Rice, Penry, Morgan, Mattox, Maddox etc.. are just as common in southern or south-west England as they are in across the border into Wales.

and then names like Jones? or Davies? or Owens? extremely common Anglo- and Anglo-Welsh names

you cant go by names alone when talking about specific Welsh migration to the U.S, unless your last name is like Gruffudd or something.

[Brianna]

John Cornelius Linehan shakes his fist at you from Heaven. His book, "The Irish Scots", deals with the first Irish settlers in the colonies. It raises some valid points about the "orange-wash" of their contributions to colonial and frontier America. I sometimes do genealogical research for other people. All of the people, from the northern South, have some Irish, Highland Scottish, Welsh and/or Cornish roots. It varies by person. Three of my grandparents have ancestors from the Republic of Ireland. They're also descended from Highlanders. Yeah, I know we're more "Celtic" than usual. From all of my research so far, I'm about 40% Anglo, 40% Celtic and 20% "other". The pattern seems to be that the two groups continually married through the generations so that people from my ancestral American homeland are thoroughly Anglo-Celtic (+whatever) in varying degrees. FE, a guy gave me three surnames to start my research. Two were English and one was Gaelic Scottish. In a few regions, people seem more Irish than English in culture, music and outlook. Compare bluegrass to English folk music. Now, compare it to Irish folk music. Do the same with folk dancing. That's even more exact in that some northern sections of England have closer matches than do other sections of England, and, of course, there are similarities to Irish dancing.