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    Quote Originally Posted by Milkaner View Post
    Could you post Abdushelishvili’s hair color data too? I just see eyes and skin.


    mingrelians from martvili have more light hair in caucasus 2.85 most darkers ( kakhetians 4.10)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milkaner View Post
    Could you post Abdushelishvili’s hair color data too? I just see eyes and skin.
    so west georgians abdushelashvili stats are more lighter than abkhazians or circassians

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    Quote Originally Posted by interes View Post


    mingrelians from martvili have more light hair in caucasus 2.85 most darkers ( kakhetians 4.10)
    Are those percentages or weighted averages from 0-4?

    Soviet Anthropologists represented hair color for samples with a weighted average from 0 (pure light blond) to 4 (pure black and dark brown):



    If they are percentages does this include all hair except Fischer #27, #4-5? Was only jet black and dark brown considered dark?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milkaner View Post
    Are those percentages or weighted averages from 0-4?

    Soviet Anthropologists represented hair color for samples with a weighted average from 0 (pure light blond) to 4 (pure black and dark brown):



    If they are percentages does this include all hair except Fischer #27, #4-5? Was only jet black and dark brown considered dark?
    no . 2.85 its average light hair( light brown, dark blond , reddish) and on this stats 2.85 > than 4.10 than small koeficient than more light hair

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milkaner View Post
    Could you post Abdushelishvili’s hair color data too? I just see eyes and skin.
    Average hair color score. To make it clearer, I have highlighted the vertical column of the average hair color score. Explanation: THE LOWER THE AVERAGE SCORE, THE MORE FAIR HAIRED THE GROUP IN CONSIDERATION.

    The numbers that I wrote there (I wrote them specifically for those who do not read Russian).
    1- Abkhaz groups. As we see the Abkhazians living in the east of Abkhazia, the lands that used to belong to the Mingrelians and where there are now a bunch of assimilated Mingrelians, those regions are redder.
    2 - Circassian groups
    3 - Karachay-Balkars
    4 - Ossetian groups
    5 - Vainakh groups (Ingush, Chechens, Kists, Batsbis).



    Map of the average hair color score in different regions of Georgia, taken from the research of TWO ANTHROPOLOGISTS - Abdushelishvili and Javakhishvili. It has been specially transferred to the map for convenience.


    As you can see, Circassians are generally not lighter than Georgians. The lowest average scores are among Georgians, and to be more precise, among Georgians from the WEST PLAIN - Colchis Lowland, especially among MINGRELS, for example, such numbers as - 2.85, 3.01.
    Of the Circassian or in general of the Circassian, Ossetian, Vainakh and Karachay-Balkar groups, only the Khazbez Circassians have an average score of 3.07.
    I don’t know where this nonsense comes from about the light pigmentation of some groups, when people haven’t even seen anthropological studies or even a thousand purebred representatives of the nations that they compare.

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    Beard color (Pantyukhov). Here is a screenshot from his work.

    Mingrelians:
    24% light brown
    48% dark blond
    12% black
    16% redheads

    Imeretians:
    21% light brown
    60% dark blond
    8% black
    11% redheads

    Gurians:
    27% light brown
    36% dark brown
    17% black
    20% redheads

    Karachay-Balkars:
    4% light brown
    51% dark blond
    37% black
    8% redheads

    Kabardians:
    3% light brown
    30% dark blond
    57% black
    10% redheads

    The highest percentage of light brown and red hair is among Mingrelians and Gurians.
    The smallest % of blacks is among the Imeretians and Mingrelians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kessaras View Post
    I think the correct way to define the lightness difference would be medium. Not a bit or a lot lighter.
    Circassians living more north , neighbor Southern russians or Ukrainians and look like them . Georgians living much southern and look like more armenians . So Circassians are much lighter imho

    Circassians




    Georgians


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    Quote Originally Posted by sersen View Post
    Circassians living more north , neighbor Southern russians or Ukrainians and look like them . Georgians living much southern and look like more armenians . So Circassians are much lighter imho

    Circassians




    Georgians

    I’d say on a scale modarate to much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kessaras View Post
    I’d say on a scale modarate to much.
    Idk, what you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forli View Post
    They look more like Russians, Georgians more like Greeks.
    Yes circassians look like more slavic russians georgains like greeks mor than circassians or russians

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