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    Quote Originally Posted by Trun View Post
    Abortion isn't one of them.
    Oh well, you're welcome to hold any views you want, it doesn't change the actual laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NatiaCutie View Post
    Oh well, you're welcome to hold any views you want, it doesn't change the actual laws.
    What laws? Many countries, such as Ireland and Poland, prohibit abortion except in extreme cases. My country unfortunately isn't one of them, and it's one of the reasons for negative population growth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trun View Post
    What laws? Many countries, such as Ireland and Poland, prohibit abortion except in extreme cases. My country unfortunately isn't one of them, and it's one of the reasons for negative population growth.
    For starters the law of the United Kingdom which is the one that matters the most to me. If a girl wants to get an abortion, she gets it, no questions asked and no big drama will follow.

    I am interested in the EU leading all the continent into the same place and that's why I care about this sort of resolution and discussion. The people of Europe must know that the only future they have is progressive thinking, and that the only questions to ask is how to implement it.

    If not they are welcome to leave, lose all the privileges of living in the EU and try their luck with Putin, or Iran or whatever country that shares their worldview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NatiaCutie View Post
    If not they are welcome to leave, lose all the privileges of living in the EU and try their luck with Putin, or Iran or whatever country that shares their worldview.
    Undemocratic approach. Would not happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trun View Post
    Undemocratic approach. Would not happen.
    It is already happening. Not only with abortion but with the rights of the LGBT community as well.

    Even in countries that aren't formally part of the EU yet, ammends are being made to their laws and their societies so that they are progressively compatible with the advanced countries of the West.

    My granddaddy's country is also going in that direction and I'm very glad , even if the archaic Georgian Church tries to stop it but it won't have any use.

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/easte...rights-georgia
    Davit Usupashvili, the parliamentary speaker, said that the anti-discrimination bill represented a choice between Russia and the EU. After frantic negotiations behind the scenes, parliament adopted it unanimously.
    It is an even bigger responsibility for countries that are already in the EU like Bulgaria. You joined the West and get its help, now you must comply with what is expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NatiaCutie View Post
    It is an even bigger responsibility for countries that are already in the EU like Bulgaria. You joined the West and get its help, now you must comply with what is expected.
    People don't want it. Vox populi, vox Dei.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trun View Post
    People don't want it. Vox populi, vox Dei.
    You can try to hold a referendum to leave the EU then and get closer to Russia then.

    Our countries are not going to transfer funds to places where homophobic discrimination takes place and that is very clear in EU law.
    I'm pretty sure that whatever backwards and religious ideas Bulgarians hold will come second to the prospect of losing assistance from our part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NatiaCutie View Post
    You can try to hold a referendum to leave the EU then and get closer to Russia then.

    Our countries are not going to transfer funds to places where homophobic discrimination takes place and that is very clear in EU law.
    I'm pretty sure that whatever backwards and religious ideas Bulgarians hold will come second to the prospect of losing assistance from our part.
    There is no LGBT discrimination in Bulgaria. But most people are against parades and showing off. Also against same-sex marriages.

    EU is an economic union, they cannot impose such laws on any member.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trun View Post
    There is no LGBT discrimination in Bulgaria. But most people are against parades and showing off. Also against same-sex marriages.

    EU is an economic union, they cannot impose such laws on any member.
    I'm afraid you're wrong.
    The Common Law of the European Union supercedes the laws of national countries.

    http://www.europedia.moussis.eu/book.../3/3/index.tkl
    In fact, according to the Court of Justice, the Member States have definitively transferred sovereign rights to the Community (and now the Union) they created, and they cannot subsequently go back on that transfer through unilateral measures [see Case 6/64], unless they decide to break away from the EU. If they do not opt for such a radical measure, they cannot contravene European legislation, to the making of which they have contributed, by invoking their national, even their constitutional law.
    The original Treaty of Rome was just an economic union, but since the integration process got another boost a few decades ago, it's a legal and political union

    You are in the EU, you get the help you need and you will be required to defend a progressive worldview. If you don't want to, then leave. But I'm sure most Bulgarians won't have the guts to try that

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