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    The Sultans of the Ottoman Empire belonged to haplogroup J2. This has been deduced by the testing of one of the descendants of H.I.H. Prince Yusuf Izzedidin. Here is the ysearch id 94A9M. This haplotype looks like it probably belongs to J2a M410 as well.



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    No, there main direct ancestor was a true Turkoman from Merv actually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nabatea1 View Post
    No, there main direct ancestor was a true Turkoman from Merv actually.
    It's probably nicer to claim he was originally from Turkestan than a Turkified Caucasian.

    J-M410[edit]

    J-M410 is found in Georgia, North Ossetia.


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    Not just 'Greek' a mix of several Balkan ethnicities including Ukrainian and Russian and possibly some Baltic as well. Sure the dynasty is much more progressive and open-minded than their low-iq AKP-affiliated supporters. Most of Ottoman sultans pursued a secular lifestyle, drinking heavily and sleeping with many women. There wouldn't be a problem in Turkey if their followers tried to imitate them a little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by True Ancestor View Post
    Not just 'Greek' a mix of several Balkan ethnicities including Ukrainian and Russian and possibly some Baltic as well. Sure the dynasty is much more progressive and open-minded than their low-iq AKP-affiliated supporters. Most of Ottoman sultans pursued a secular lifestyle, drinking heavily and sleeping with many women. There wouldn't be a problem in Turkey if their followers tried to imitate them a little.
    Yes, the Ottoman dynasty is mixed, but I'm talking about the paternal lineage which should have remained unchanged throughout the ages. The test done on one of the descendants of the Ottomans showed he carried J2 of subclade M410 which is commonly found in the Caucasus. It suggests that the Ottomans were Turkified Caucasians who moved west and created legends about their lineage to win support from actual Turkics.


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    "Prince Yusuf Izzedidin" is an fake account, anyway here is your answer
    J2 haplo: Uygurs 34%[2], Uzbeks %30.4[2, East Turkestan], Azerbaijani Turks 30.6%[20], Crimean Karaites 30%[19], Hazara people 26.6%[22], Kumyks 25%[21], Balkars 24%[10], Lithuanian Tatars 18.9[23], Turkmens 17%[11], Uzbeks 16%[9], Kazan Tatars 15.1%[6], Chuvash people 14%[6], Nogays 10.4%[21], Kazakhs 7%[1]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polk View Post
    Is the Ottoman dynasty a Turkified Greek dynasty? The Sultans of the Ottoman Empire belonged to haplogroup J2. This has been deduced by the testing of one of the descendants of H.I.H. Prince Yusuf Izzedidin. Here is the ysearch id 94A9M. This haplotype looks like it probably belongs to J2a M410 as well.

    http://forums.familytreedna.com/showthread.php?t=13292
    First of all, the ethnic origin of a family, is defined using the historical documents as proof. If there were no historical documents, if there was no historical science, then we could not be able to know anything about history. Genetics can not force any historical facts. The mutations that define the genetic haplogroups occurred tens of thousands of years ago. In these periods, the cultures of the majority of the modern nations were not present. The oldest human language is of the Sumerians, they spoke a Proto Turk language. And there are dozens of archaeological evidence of Proto Turks during the Bronze, Neolithic and Mesolithic Ages. The modern and medieval Tamga's(Stamps) that define the origin of each Turk tribe is found among the archaeological findings of the Proto Turks. The Core/Root of the Proto Turks and the Sakha, Huns and Turks were of West Eurasian origin, with a minority of East Eurasian origin. The West Eurasian origin is equal to one anthropological type and to more than one Y-DNA haplogroups(E, G, H, I, J, L, R, T, ...).

    The tribe of the Ottoman dynasty is the Kayi tribe, they are of the Oghuz main tribe, but this tribe is also the same as the Kayi tribe among the Mongols. So, to conclude: the Ottoman dynasty is of Turk origin. They most probably migrated from Central Asia(like suggested from around present day Turkmenistan) during the 11th-13th centuries to Anatolia.

    Quote Originally Posted by True Ancestor View Post
    Not just 'Greek' a mix of several Balkan ethnicities including Ukrainian and Russian and possibly some Baltic as well. Sure the dynasty is much more progressive and open-minded than their low-iq AKP-affiliated supporters. Most of Ottoman sultans pursued a secular lifestyle, drinking heavily and sleeping with many women. There wouldn't be a problem in Turkey if their followers tried to imitate them a little.
    Marrying with foreign women does not mean that the Y-Chromosome line will be changed. The Y-Chromosome line is only related to the "Father" side, and the mutations do not change with marriage of foreign women. Drinking alochol has nothing to do with the Y-Chromosome line, or the goodness or evilness of a dynasty.

    There are good intended, bad intended, succesful and unsuccesful Ottoman sultans. For example you cannot even compare Vahdettin with Fatih Sultan Mehmet. One is a traitor, and Fatih Sultan Mehmet is a heroe. The first period of Ottoman sultans was more Turk Nationalist and believed in the Bektashi Alevi sect, and during the final period which caused for the fall of the Ottomans, Ottoman sultans were based on the belief in the Umayyad sect which is equal to the fake Islam. So, when analyzing the Ottoman sultans, we must think with logics, and not with prejudice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Polk View Post
    Yes, the Ottoman dynasty is mixed, but I'm talking about the paternal lineage which should have remained unchanged throughout the ages. The test done on one of the descendants of the Ottomans showed he carried J2 of subclade M410 which is commonly found in the Caucasus. It suggests that the Ottomans were Turkified Caucasians who moved west and created legends about their lineage to win support from actual Turkics.
    First of all, i have seen other results of presentday Ottoman family, some of them also belonged to R1a. I think testing the ancient dna samples of ancient Ottoman sultans will be more reliable in this situation to find out the real Y-haplogroup of the Ottomans.

    And, more importantly, a final study of Allentoft et al 2015, found J2 results among the Iron Age Sakha Turks of the Altai Region between 800 BCE - 100 AD. Read the articles at link Ancient DNA in Altai Republic region for more detailed information.

    Also, like any other West Eurasian haplogroup, J2 is also found with high frequencies in many Central Asian and Balkan, Caucasian, etc. Turks. Not to forget the fact that an important frequency of modern Greeks consists of people with Christian Turk origin.

    Please have a look at the results at the following link for more detailed information: Y-DNA Genetic Structure of Türkiye Turks = Y-DNA Genetic Structure of Ancient & Modern Central Asian Turks

    Haplogroup J:

    Quote Originally Posted by http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=229&t=12267#p15199

    -Among the Avar Turks, Haplogrup J is found with 72%(30/42), 90%(13/15) and 94,0%(17/18) frequencies. The subgroups belong to J1, J2 and J2b.

    -Among the Uygur Turks Haplogrup J2 is found with 34%,

    Among the Uzbek Turks in the Balkh region of Afghanisthan, Haplogroup J2 is found with a percentage of 60,0%(3/5).

    -Among the Uzbek Turks Haplogrup J and J2 is found with 34,8%.

    -Among the Azerbaijan Turks in Azerbaijan, Haplogroup J is found with a percentage of 57,9%(11/19).

    -Among the Kumik Turks, the total frequency of Y-DNA Haplogroup J1+J2 is 42,5%(31/73).

    -Among the Kuban Nogay Turks, the total frequency of Y-DNA Haplogroup J1+J2 is 37,9%(33/87).

    -Among the Balkar Turks, the total frequency of Y-DNA Haplogroup J1+J2 is 19,3%(26/135).

    -Among the Karachay Turks, the total frequency of Y-DNA Haplogroup J1+J2 is 18,9%(13/69).

    -Among a group of Kazakh Turks, the Y-DNA Haplogroup J is found with a frequency of 18%.

    -The descendants of the founder of the Qajar royal family, the grandsons of Mohammad Khan Qajar and Fath-Ali Shah Qajar were tested for Y-DNA, their haplogroup was J1.

    -Among the Karai Turks, J1 and J2 is found with 47,6%(10/21).

    -Among the Chuvash Turks J is found with 15,9%(7/44).

    -Among the Kazan Tatar Turks Haplogroup J is found with 15,1%(8/53).

    -Among the Tuzmazinsky Tatar Turks Haplogroup J is found with 10,0%(5/50).

    -Between the years 800 BCE - 100 AD, among the Sakha Turks from the Altai Republic region, the Y-DNA haplogroup J2a is found.

    -Among the Proto Turks, in Hungary, during the years between 1270 - 1100 BCE, J2a is found.

    Source: http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=229&t=12288

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    They were Turkmens of the Kayi tribe and their Y-DNA was R1a, not J2.
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    Since when does J2 make you Greek?

    By that logic, you might as well call me Giorgios Papadopoulos.

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    Just ban this troll already. He is also using multiple accounts.

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