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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty View Post
    I've no doubt. "Criminal" is a broad term. I don't think all Australians descend from murderers.
    No I didn't think you did but I was just clarifying for everyone that the criminals of that era were mostly decent folk and their crimes fairly petty and due to difficult circumstances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley View Post
    No I didn't think you did but I was just clarifying for everyone that the criminals of that era were mostly decent folk and their crimes fairly petty and due to difficult circumstances.
    That's very true. It was absolutely absurd what people could get hanged for in those days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley View Post
    No I didn't think you did but I was just clarifying for everyone that the criminals of that era were mostly decent folk and their crimes fairly petty and due to difficult circumstances.
    True, like in the Cling Eastwood, The Good the bad and the ugly or The outlaw Josey wales. For example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neon Knight View Post
    The Anglo-Saxon king Alfred of Wessex made use of Welsh horsemen as messengers and brought Welsh monks/scholars into his court.

    You get some people now believing that Celts and AngloSaxons were 'racial' enemies who hated each other but that's not very believable. And they forget that different AngloSaxon tribes were fighting each other.

    Another few examples: Anglo Saxon warlord Penda made an alliance with Cadwallon of Gwynedd in Wales against the Northumbrians. And Anglo Saxon Edwin of Northumbria spent time in Gwynedd before becoming king of Deira and Bernicia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley View Post
    Yes the word Hallowe'en is Scots. The bonfires in Ireland are directly related to Halloween. I know that in the UK they have the Bonfire Plot (Guy Fawkes) but that has nothing to do with Halloween (I don't think). Something I remember with apples from Halloween is that if you peel an apple let the skin fall and it will spell out the initials of your future partner. There appears to be a lot of trying to see what was in the future in Irish practices. There were others that I've forgotten and would have to research now. Here is a bit more about barnbrack.

    "In the old days all sorts of stuff were baked into the bairin breac, besides the ring a penny, a button, a thimble, a piece of wood and a piece of cloth. Not all were positive signs. The ring denoted an upcoming marriage, the penny monetary gain, the button the continuation of a bachelor's carefree life, the thimble a destiny as an old spinster, the piece of wood spousal abuse and the cloth destitution."

    I also remember from a very young age going out with some older kids at night and they would do some mischief on Halloween night like knocking on someone's door and hiding. I remember it all as being particularly spooky and fun with lots of stories of witches and ghosts but that could have been influenced by the US at that time. There was definitely some differences though such as barnbrack and bonfires which appear to be unique to Ireland's Halloween traditions. There was also something with mirrors which I can vaguely remember (some sort of divination).
    My friends and I used to go out on Halloween with a hollowed-out turnip with a candle inside and tell ghost stories. I don't know how long that had been going on in England but it was before Trick or Treat came over from America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley View Post
    St Patrick was captured by Niall of the Nine Hostages who is the progenitor of my ydna line M222. Interestingly as well Niall's mother Cairenn was known as a Briton. "Although it is anachronistic for Niall's mother to have been a Saxon, O'Rahilly argues that the name Cairenn is derived from the Latin name Carina, and that it is plausible that she might have been a Romano-Briton.[6] Keating describes her not as a Saxon but as the "daughter of the king of Britain".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niall_..._Nine_Hostages
    My Y-DNA (see on left) is linked with Niall. How does that relate to M222? My surname is Irish (south Ulster) so it is almost certainly from Ireland.

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    Since on subject. A nice poem by the main man.

    A poem called "Hallowe'en" by Rabbie Burns 1785
    (Translation into modern English)
    Spoiler!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neon Knight View Post
    My Y-DNA (see on left) is linked with Niall. How does that relate to M222? My surname is Irish (south Ulster) so it is almost certainly from Ireland.
    You're not M222 so not linked to Niall. You'd have to get further testing to see what you are. You might be linked to Brian Boru or some other Irish dynasty. 23andMe test for M222 and you are L21. L21 still has a lot of other clades under it but just L21 is still quite generic as it is still quite common on the European continent and other areas of the British Isles. If you were M222 you would be listed as R1b1b2a1a2f2 on 23andme e.g. instead of the asterisk you would have a 2.

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    Many of the people who consider themselves "American" tend to be Scots-Irish, as this classification is common in Southern and Appalachian regions, where there are plenty of Scots-Irish.

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    I'm one. Albeit Scots-Irish Canadian, that is. My ancestors arrived here in the 19th century.

    Aside from Ulster many of them also came from county Wicklow in Leinster. They were methodists.

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