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    Quote Originally Posted by jackrussell View Post
    Turks World is definetly getting bigger , don't let the political party representations , they do not reflect a deeper and wider truth .



    How many of them are Turks you asked ; one way or the other there about 60 - 65 million people who partially or completely identify themselves as Turks .

    Oghuz Turks are not the only clan of Turk to make Anatolia , Mesopotamia , Caucasia , Asia and Europe .

    Kipchak Turks were there probably about 7000 years ago , at least .

    Probably at least 30 % of those Kurdish Clans were originally Turks too .

    So you get Turks becoming Kurds and Kurds becoming Turks , no one notices .

    You can make your own conlusion .
    I agree with your writing. By the way, in your description i see that you are of Circassian - KABARDIAN origin. What do you think about the origin of the Kabardians? Do you think it is coincidence, that the a core tribe of the Khazar Turks had the name "Kabar", and they lived in the same Caucasian regions of modern Circassians? Dont you think that this shows that Circassians also have their origins among the Huns and the Sakha's/Scythians?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkSecret View Post
    There are many Christian or Jewish Turkic groups. Roots are not "islamic".

    Autocephalous Turkish Orthodox Patriarchate

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoce...x_Patriarchate
    You have to be kidding me. That church has 4 - 161 members. There are more Armenian Mormons than actual Turkish Christians. There are no such thing as "Turkish Churches". Any Church in Turkey is either Greek Orthodox, Armenian, or other denomination. Some of those were destroyed, converted to mosques.

    Turkish identity does have an Islamic root, and unlike Arabs, Egyptians, Albanians, etc. being a Turk and being a Christian is not compatible with each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acatziri View Post
    I agree with your writing. By the way, in your description i see that you are of Circassian - KABARDIAN origin. What do you think about the origin of the Kabardians? Do you think it is coincidence, that the a core tribe of the Khazar Turks had the name "Kabar", and they lived in the same Caucasian regions of modern Circassians? Dont you think that this shows that Circassians also have their origins among the Huns and the Sakha's/Scythians?
    As a Turk you should rather become acquainted with your own ethnogenesis before you give lessons to others about their origins.

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    Enough that I dont want to visit it.
    "If the enemy is not attacking from the East it has flanked." Finnish proverb


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu8D9GaQwIs

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    Quote Originally Posted by acatziri View Post
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    5. DİNGİR and Sumerians
    Were the Sumerians who believed in the DİNGİR(=TENGRI) religion not of Turk origin? Did you know that many facts like the the Flood of Noah, in the Kuran and the books of the Judaism and Christianity, were also present in the tablet findings of the Sumerians whom described the religion of the Sumerians?
    It probably has a link to the Semitic "din". Nothing slit eyed about it, try again.

    And if there is a relation with Tengri then it's just a loanword as was suggested by others who studied the Sumerians. One thing is for sure they are not a Turkic people. It's not even an accepted theory lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Шишани View Post
    As a Turk you should rather become acquainted with your own ethnogenesis before you give lessons to others about their origins.
    Last edited by meisje; 06-21-2015 at 09:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acatziri View Post
    No, this is not the reality. Atatürk was a Muslim and the Atatürkists of presentday are also Muslims. People can not measure how much Muslim other groups of people are, the believe in Islam is not a show, it is between ALLAH and the persons believing in ALLAH.
    We are talking about someone who removed Islam from state and did everything to remove it from social life too by promoting men and women wearing Western clothes and boosting alcohol consumption by opening many rakı and beer factories across Turkey. Thousands of mosques were destroyed or converted into other things like animal pounds or other. He wasn't Muslim, this is clear from his deeds, from his strongly materialist handwritings and he has also a video footage referring to Kuran as dogmas of book believed by some coming from heaven. He was clearly Atheist or something similar. I don't have problem with people who love him or I don't blame him either because he was like he was it's just to set things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witness View Post
    promoting men and women wearing Western clothes and boosting alcohol consumption by opening many rakı and beer factories across Turkey
    hallelujah

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    Quote Originally Posted by Musso View Post
    You have to be kidding me. That church has 4 - 161 members. There are more Armenian Mormons than actual Turkish Christians. There are no such thing as "Turkish Churches". Any Church in Turkey is either Greek Orthodox, Armenian, or other denomination. Some of those were destroyed, converted to mosques.

    Turkish identity does have an Islamic root, and unlike Arabs, Egyptians, Albanians, etc. being a Turk and being a Christian is not compatible with each other.
    No there are prostestant and orthodox Turkish churches. Yea numbers can be small but that doesn't change the fact.

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    Armenians started to produce beer in the Ottoman Era. I just really wonder, when will those ignorance of dinci taife come to an end?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_in_Turkey

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