European Court of Human Rights: Armenian Deportation Is Not a Genocide

[Queen B]

How manipulative is your post.
It's not a decision whether there was a genocide or not by ECoHR.

Its was a verdict between Perincek and Swizerland.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perin%...v._Switzerland

[acatziri]

Very good.

Then I better not hear any whining when we deport you filthy wogs to your country of origin.

Is there a war ongoing from whatever country you are coming from? Did the Turks stab your people in the back, of with whom they lived for dozens of years in peace together in the country you are living in? Did the Turks wore the uniform of the enemy of your country and join the enemy army and participated in a war that is presently ongoing in your country, and did the Turks kill thousands of your civil innocent people in a non war period? No! No! No! Then your short comment does only show your unhuman and non logical hate crime against the Turks. You can not reply to the contents of the arguments i wrote down above, so your words do not have any kind of value indeed.

[acatziri]

Was Armenia already independent by this time? I'm pretty sure it was still part of the Russian Empire in 1919. If not, I'd probably say it is genocide.

If there was a country called "Armenia" and said Armenians in Turkey were forcefully relocated to this country, I wouldn't call it genocide, as they still get to exist as a group. The killing would just be mass murder, not really genocide. Again, if Armenia wasn't independent then, I would consider it a genocide.

First of all, the Armenians got deported to Syria, which was also part of the Ottoman Empire in 1915. So, the Armenians got deported from several Ottoman regions to a single Ottoman region.

And for the refreshing of our minds, the date of the First World War was 1914-1918. The Ottoman Empire was being invaded by the English and Russian armies. The Armenians joined the English, French and Russian armies, and officially wore their uniforms, these are historically proven facts. The Armenians attacked thousands of non military civil villages full with innocent Turks and Kurds, they burned cities like Van and Erzurum completely, and raped, killed the innocent populations(like they did in the more recent Khocali Genocide in 26 February 1992), their own neighbours without hesitating while the Turk and Kurd men were not present in these villages because they were in duty in the Ottoman Army.

What did the Ottoman State decided to do? Only deportation! To give a present day modern example, look at the random killings in the US performed against the African people. Without any kind of reason, the US state is just randomly killing African people just because they are racists. Did you know that the Nazi movement(whom performed the Genocide on Jews) was officially a puppet of the US and the UK states? What would the US state or any other West European state have done if the present day Armenians would have killed and raped thousands of innocent civil Americans, when there was a Third World War ongoing against other enemy states? Deportation in such a complicated situation(First World War, 1914-1918) only proofs more and more how merciful the Turks werer and still are. We Turks defended our country against the enemies who tried to take over our country by invading our country, we did not allow this to happen.

[acatziri]

There's probably going to be some bloodshed due to the belligerence of non-Whites.

What an empty and meaningless comment, very ridiculous. Do you have some kind of an automated message composer?

[acatziri]

I wouldn't be afraid if I were you. The Germans are known for massacres in an industrial scale...

You guys are openly provoking hate crime, which is against the law in many West European countries. Does the forum administrator allow this kind of unhuman and non logical hate crime provoking comments?

[Petros Houhoulis]

You guys are openly provoking hate crime, which is against the law in many West European countries. Does the forum administrator allow this kind of unhuman and non logical hate crime provoking comments?

Me? I wasn't writing about my country or my nationals' actions. I was talking about that:



We'll see if you shall get deported peacefully from the Nordic countries... Or if they shall open gas chambers again...

You are living in the Netherlands eh? You must be scared...

[acatziri]

How manipulative is your post.
It's not a decision whether there was a genocide or not by ECoHR.

Its was a verdict between Perincek and Swizerland.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perin%...v._Switzerland

Are you blind, cant you read the following statements of the European Court of Human Rights? Let me rephrase the statements of the European Court of Human Rights:

STATEMENT 1:

The Court took the view that the term “genocide” as used in the relevant Article of the Swiss Criminal Code was likely to raise doubts as to the precision required by Article 10 § 2 of the Convention.

STATEMENT 2:

The Court pointed out that it was not called upon to address either the veracity of the massacres and deportations perpetrated against the Armenian people by the Ottoman Empire from 1915 onwards, or the appropriateness of legally characterising those acts as “genocide”, within the meaning of the relevant Article of the Criminal Code.

STATEMENT 3:

In this connection, the Court clearly distinguished the present case from those concerning the negation of the crimes of the Holocaust.

By the way, the official source for the results of the European Court of Human Rights about this matter are to be found at the following pdf file: http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/webservice...613832-5581451

[Petros Houhoulis]

Are you blind, cant you read the following statements of the European Court of Human Rights? Let me rephrase the statements of the European Court of Human Rights:

STATEMENT 1:

The Court took the view that the term “genocide” as used in the relevant Article of the Swiss Criminal Code was likely to raise doubts as to the precision required by Article 10 § 2 of the Convention.

STATEMENT 2:

The Court pointed out that it was not called upon to address either the veracity of the massacres and deportations perpetrated against the Armenian people by the Ottoman Empire from 1915 onwards, or the appropriateness of legally characterising those acts as “genocide”, within the meaning of the relevant Article of the Criminal Code.

STATEMENT 3:

In this connection, the Court clearly distinguished the present case from those concerning the negation of the crimes of the Holocaust.

By the way, the official source for the results of the European Court of Human Rights about this matter are to be found at the following pdf file: http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/webservice...613832-5581451

You clearly don't understand English. If the following sentence:

The Court pointed out that it was not called upon to address either the veracity of the massacres and deportations perpetrated against the Armenian people by the Ottoman Empire from 1915 onwards, or the appropriateness of legally characterising those acts as “genocide”, within the meaning of the relevant Article of the Criminal Code.

Was put on English exams in Turkey, all Turks would fail to understand it...

[Queen B]

I see very well, thank you.
You didn't even read what I wrote.

Your title is misleading, since you imply that ECoHR ruled that there was no genocide.
The ECoHR simple ruled that Perincek's sayings fall under the ''freedom of expression'' category, and he was faulty criminilized, based on Swiss law.

The European court of Human Rights have not any ''say" to if there was a genocide or not. This is a job for ICJ (International Court of Justice)
The ECoHR deals with applications alleging that a contracting state has breached one or more of the human rights provisions concerning civil and political rights set out in the Convention and its protocols. (in this case, freedom of expression)

Are you blind, cant you read the following statements of the European Court of Human Rights? Let me rephrase the statements of the European Court of Human Rights:

STATEMENT 1:

The Courttook the viewthat the term “genocide”

as used in the relevant Article of the Swiss Criminal Code

was likely to raise doubts as to the precision required by Article 10 § 2 of the Convention.

See bold. As used in the Swiss Criminal code.

[XenophobicPrussian]

First of all, the Armenians got deported to Syria, which was also part of the Ottoman Empire in 1915. So, the Armenians got deported from several Ottoman regions to a single Ottoman region.

And for the refreshing of our minds, the date of the First World War was 1914-1918. The Ottoman Empire was being invaded by the English and Russian armies. The Armenians joined the English, French and Russian armies, and officially wore their uniforms, these are historically proven facts. The Armenians attacked thousands of non military civil villages full with innocent Turks and Kurds, they burned cities like Van and Erzurum completely, and raped, killed the innocent populations(like they did in the more recent Khocali Genocide in 26 February 1992), their own neighbours without hesitating while the Turk and Kurd men were not present in these villages because they were in duty in the Ottoman Army.

What did the Ottoman State decided to do? Only deportation! To give a present day modern example, look at the random killings in the US performed against the African people. Without any kind of reason, the US state is just randomly killing African people just because they are racists. Did you know that the Nazi movement(whom performed the Genocide on Jews) was officially a puppet of the US and the UK states? What would the US state or any other West European state have done if the present day Armenians would have killed and raped thousands of innocent civil Americans, when there was a Third World War ongoing against other enemy states? Deportation in such a complicated situation(First World War, 1914-1918) only proofs more and more how merciful the Turks werer and still are. We Turks defended our country against the enemies who tried to take over our country by invading our country, we did not allow this to happen.

So much ignorance. Most blacks lynched in the US were serious criminals, there was a case of a black guy being lynched for whistling at a white women, but again, most were serious criminals including murderers.

For your information, the Nazis also wanted to simply deport Jews first, for the same reasons the Turks deported Armenians, treason. The US and UK didn't allow them to, so they turned to mass murder.