'Moorish revival' in southern Spain

[Comte Arnau]

THis is just generalities, exactly like the BBC article. Of course there was an impact at the time, but I was interested in what remains.

Potentially not much at all, perhaps?

Well, if what you meant is if southern Spain is mostly inhabited today by Muslim Arabic speakers, then no, no impact at all.

But something must have happened when, even after having been repopulated by people from the North, so many northern Spaniards see southern Spain as a 'different world'.

[Oinakos Growion]

aah... this reminds me of some alleged "Medieval fairs" celebrated here and there which normally end up like a tale of Ali Baba with thousand of hippies selling leather stuff with weird Arabic and Chinese inscriptions
Looks like anything goes in Europe... except our own old traditions.
Pity proper European armors (replicas) are so expensive, because it'd be fun to dress in one for a day - sword included - and show them how funny things could get...

[The Khagan]

I suspect he was being serious.

Depending on location and time / date Islam, Christianity and Judaism co-existed without much problems. Imo the religions themselves aren't necessarily at fault or at the root of friction and tensions.

Imo problems more often arise when corrupt individuals start perverting the respective teachings and stoke up trouble for personal gain.

I agree, but I feel that the nature of the dogmas is conducive to that type of intolerance and barbarism.

Yes, a criticism of the very nature that guides us as human, but a faith was/is often the catalyst and means of this type of behavior.

[poiuytrewq0987]

I believe this has only occurred because the descendants of such people have been allowed to resettle Southern Iberia. If that wasn't the case with the post-Franco government, such thing would not be taking place.

[Vanilla]

Well ... so have the Goths and the Vandals (and the former left a far greater and lasting impact on Spain than the Muslims). And yet the BBC and leftist govt's won't start hailing Spain's Germanic past ...

Indeed, but when we think of Spain, we think of Moorish architecture and of Flamenco. It wasn't very friendly of you to forget the huge Gypsy influence on Spanish culture.

[Ibericus]

Indeed, but when we think of Spain, we think of Moorish architecture and of Flamenco. It wasn't very friendly of you to forget the huge Gypsy influence on Spanish culture.

LOL. You have registred only to tell this shit ? What Huge Gypsy influence on Spanish culture ?? What influence ? The flamenco is not spanish culture, it's gypsy culture and before the 20th no spaniard knew about it, only a group of marginalized gypsyes in Andalucia. And nobody listens to flamenco in Spain only the tourists. And please the moorish buildings can be counted with the fingers. By the way, part of the architecture of moors was copied from the Visigoths.

[Groenewolf]

That's wrong. They did never coexist in pace. There were always fights and friction. Don't believe in the do-gooder liberals. Read the book "The Myth of Al-Andalus"

To badly I can not find this book on Amazon. Can you tell where this might be found?

[Ibericus]

To badly I can not find this book on Amazon. Can you tell where this might be found?

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10577

[antonio]

Well, if what you meant is if southern Spain is mostly inhabited today by Muslim Arabic speakers, then no, no impact at all.

But something must have happened when, even after having been repopulated by people from the North, so many northern Spaniards see southern Spain as a 'different world'.

Well, it's like coming into Far West from Germany or Ireland. The melting-pot, even if settlements (at first instance) were probably composed by people from the same region, it's not the same because they've symbolic/magic/telluric attachments to different elements on the original countryside? Another important things were traditions, how to maintain traditions most of them attached to several different physical/telurical elements? So, there it came f.e. the Church to fill the void with Religion manifestations, probably more ortodox that original ones more syncretically paganized. Or folklore...Even today it's hard to maintain old traditions on a new land, go figure to that completelly illiterated people, just wanting to get the everydays bread.

[antonio]

LOL. You have registred only to tell this shit ? What Huge Gypsy influence on Spanish culture ?? What influence ? The flamenco is not spanish culture, it's gypsy culture and before the 20th no spaniard knew about it, only a group of marginalized gypsyes in Andalucia. And nobody listens to flamenco in Spain only the tourists. And please the moorish buildings can be counted with the fingers. By the way, part of the architecture of moors was copied from the Visigoths.

This is a undebatable true. Flamenco had been gaining territory from their original domain on concrete parts of SouthernSpain most marginal and sordid contexts during last two centuries at light speed. Probably for different causes along all that time. Anycase, Flamenco have some of its controversial roots on NorthernSpain Folklore the same way Church European music is related to Gospell, Blues, Soul, that is, a unidirectional way...at least till the queer experiments of current days.