Italians

[manu]

las chicas y las mujeres del norte son mas lindas if you ask my opinion but I might be biased.

[Foxy]

So what region of Italy has the best looking women?

People say Veneto, but I think the central regions, simply becouse Monica Bellucci is from there and becouse they are the true Romans and own the classical beauty. I don't like Sicilian women anyway.

[safinator]

[Xárszászát]

To all people who have read Loyalist:
Just to be clear, guys he evidently doesn't know anything about Italian history.
Just saying "Italy was occupied for centuries by Moors,Sub-saharans and Arabs" is an insult to history properly called.
Therefore, don't believe whatever he writes since he is clearly a kid who has read history on Mickey Mouse.

[Maximum Speed]

We've got loads of people of Italian ancestry in Wales, a lot of them came from the town of Bardi nr Bologna.

This man looks like me a lot

Sicilians, Southern Italians, Maltese, Sardinians and the Spanish/Portuguese represent the most Moorish/Arab/Saharan influenced places of Europe. One must not need to go that far back in their genealogy to find many 17th or 18th century Maghrebs/Moors/Saharans. There are of course few exceptions with the ones relatively unmixed or conquered.

On the other i do not know what to say, but you're wrong about the Sardinians.

Genetic peculiarities of the population

Sardinians are one of the most genetically isolated populations in Europe and, according to some studies, together along with the Basques represents an example of a pre-Indo-European population surviving in Europe from the Paleolithic period.[26][27]
Haplogroup I Distribution

While Sardinians do not constitute a homogeneous population from a genetic point of view, in comparison to other European populations, Sardinians are distinguished by genetic characteristics.[28]
Y-DNA

Distribution of Sardinian Y-chromosome DNA (Y-DNA) haplogroups in percentage according to Eupedia.[29]
Region I2 R1b G2a J2 J1 E1b1b T + (L) Q
Sardinia 37% 22% 15% 10% 2.5% 10% 1.5% 2%

About 42% of the Sardinians belong to Y-chromosome haplogroup I, which is otherwise frequently encountered only in Scandinavia, Northern Germany and the Croatia-Bosnia-Montenegro-Serbia area.

Furthermore, the I haplogroup of the indigenous Sardinians is of the I2a1 subtype (I-M26), which is almost unique to the island, though it takes origin in the Pyrenees region. The I2a1 haplogroup also has a low distribution around the Pyrenees, the Basque Country, Castile, the department of Béarn and Brittany in France, England, Sweden and Corsica. The second most common Y-chromosome haplogroup among Sardinian male population is the haplogroup R1b (22% of the total population) mainly present in the northern part of the island . Sardinia also has a relatively high distribution of Y-chromosome haplogroup G (11%),[30] which is also found mainly in the Caucasus, the sardinian subtype of the Haplogroup G is closer to that one still present today in the Alps region, in particular Tyrol area. Ötzi the Iceman, the mummy of a man who lived about 3,300 BC found on the Alps in 1991 was discovered recently to be closely related genetically to modern Sardinians.
MtDNA
Origin of U5b3 Mdna Haplogroup

The most common mtDNA haplogroups in Sardinia are H (H1 and H3) and V who are also particularly common in the iberian peninsula.[31] Some subclades typical of Sardinia and rare in the rest of Europe are:

The subclade U5b3a1 of Haplogroup U (mtDNA) came from Provence to Sardinia by obsidian merchants, as it is estimated that 80% of obsidian found in France comes from Monte Arci in Sardinia reflecting the close relations that existed at one time for these two regions. Still about 4% of the female population in Sardinia belongs to this haplotype.[32] One other interesting anomaly is the presence of H13a of Haplogroup H (mtDNA) is present in the island at around 9.2%. As this is an extremely rare subclade normally present in the Caucasus, its worthy of further investigation. [33] [34]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sardinian_people

[Septentrion]

I couldn't decide where to start this thread so here it is. It was suggested to me after one of my recent posts to begin a thread dealing with others views on whether or not Italians are white.
So that being said here it is. I will not run this as a poll more just put down your opinion and let us see where this goes. Now guys and gals keep it civil please. I personally believe that Italians are just as white as the rest of the European population and have some good friends who die and have given up there lives to defend that ideal. But not everyone believes that way so again please keep it civil and debate your point of view.
Thanks and have fun with this thread it should be interesting.

It doesn't matter what you personally believe. The facts are that Italians are Europeans and Europeans are part of Europid/ Europoid race, which is interpreted as White/Whites in quite a few nations. For your information, not all Europeans are alike anyway. Whoever says that Italians "are not white/whites" is nothing but a fool. Italians are perfectly Southern Europeans.

[Septentrion]

People say Veneto, but I think the central regions, simply becouse Monica Bellucci is from there and becouse they are the true Romans and own the classical beauty. I don't like Sicilian women anyway.

Sicilian, Sardinians, Lombardians, Tuscans, Calabrians, etc... are all Italians!

[Joliemome]

It cracks me up, everytime I see WASP teenagers from the Colonies, boasting their pompous theories about mixed blood in Southern Europe, while their only contact with those cultures are 'The Sopranos' and 'My Big Fat Greek Wedding'

I personally don't give a toss about what Italian communities in the U.S. or Australia are like. Any community, away from it's land, will turn into a different species, eventually. A caricature, if you may.

Much as I don't identify with 'Greek-Americans' or 'Greek-Australians', I only care to debate about Italians in Europe, and the issue of 'Whiteness' is ridiculous.

Italians/Romans are on of the nations that have contributed vastly to European civilization, and ironically enough, Western civilization at that. We are even using the latin font, ffs. And to be called 'niggers' and what not by ignorant teenagers from the other side of the world, is hilarious, to say the least.

What an utterly moronic and insulting statement, and please can people stop quoting that pathetic white history website. The fact is you have zero evidence (ps evidence is not classified as the rantings of a deranged nordicist on his personal website) that the current Italians are not virtually identical to the people who founded the Roman empire. The reality is, not just during the time of the Roman empire, but throughout history, up to the present day, the Italians have made a huge contribution to western civilization, and no insult meant, but a far greater contribution than the "purest" most nordic countries.

Also, the fact that a people have dark hair and eyes does not make them less European; the people generally accepted as the purest "Europeans" are the Basque people, and they are generally dark haired and dark eyed.

Ahahaha correct!!! Anglo Saxons always want do decide what's white and what's not, who's whiter and who's less white. US and UK have an arbitrary notion of “white”, based in part on stereotyping. America, in particular, has a long history of damaging ethnic and racial stereotypes.

What people here don't want to understand is that these Italian-Americans would look "exotic" or aliens even to real Southern Italians. Most Southern Italians don’t look like this New Jersey’s offensive stereotype of guidos and guidettes. This idea of Southern Italians as "non-white" is so deep-rooted in America that maybe Italian Americans themselves started to believe it too and they always try to emphasize and romanticize how they are a different ethnicity compared to other white Americans. They get this extreme tan, dye their hair black in order to look more exotic.
The pop singer Ariana Grande, who is also Sicilian-American and pale AF, is doing the exact same thing now.

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The reality in Southern Italy is completely different from your American vision of Italian-Americans. Unfortunately, Southern Italy has also seen right-wing parties gain in popularity in recent years and right now there‘s a strong anti-African immigrants sentiment.

I started reading this thread, felt like half my braincells had died by about page 4, then realised what a waste of time it was and just clicked on the 'reply' button to write this:

Italians are white, Italians are European.

Correct! All Italians are white Europeans. It is a fact. It isn’t anyone considering them white or not, they are white. All Europeans are white. But the Regina George of whites are Angles & Saxons, and sometimes Germans as well. All the rest of them may or may not be allowed to sit at the (white) table dependant upon the century lol

[Kenshiro]

I don't share in the view that Italians are European, caucasian, white, or whichever other term applies to your particular school of thought on the matter. Italians today are the products of a millenia of miscegenation with Moors, Phoenicians, Negroes, and numerous other non-European groups. Their physical appearance alone demonstrates how racially bastardized these people are, without taking into consideration the multitudes of scientific data, as well as historical evidence of migration and conquests, which supports this notion. Racial matters aside, Italians also demonstrate an inherent penchant for criminality, deceitfullness, and, perhaps most of all, laziness. These undesirable traits are also amplified by the fact that they are generally arrogant, overly-emotional, and violent. From a colonial point of view, they are a greater detriment to the preservation of people of Northern European stock than any Asian or African will ever be.

From a late 19th century New Orleans newspaper, reporting on the aftermath of the murder of David Hennessy:

Bro i'm literally modelable like over 80% Italic and ancient Greeks and i'm absolutely not White, we are probably European mediterranean
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[Kenshiro]

las chicas y las mujeres del norte son mas lindas if you ask my opinion but I might be biased.

Honestly opinion, Veneto yes, but also Sardinia, a good part of show girl are from Sardinia