Genetics of Bavarians

[Leliana]

Uhm, what the fuck is this thread? As a Bavarian I have to crush my head on the table after reading these abstruse theories...

Bavarians are a conglomeration of different Germanic tribes becoming one and who have assimilated some remaining Hallstatt Celts in the process. End of the story.

[nittionia]

Cool 23andme shows Bavarian for me as the top German region (:

[JMack]

Bavarians are a mix of Germanics (who were Scandinavian-like at the time), Celts and some Italic blood.

[Joso]

They were a Celtic people, spoke Celtic, had a Celtic religion and culture. Also they tend to look similar to the Welsh

Not true at all lol

[Joso]

Bavarians are a mix of Germanics (who were Scandinavian-like at the time), Celts and some Italic blood.

I've read that Southern Germany have some ancient southern italian ancestry, is it truth

[JMack]

I've read that Southern Germany have some ancient southern italian ancestry, is it truth

They have more neolithic farmer blood than other Germans, but they don't have any 'South Italian' ancestry as far as I know if you mean modern South Italians. They likely have Roman ancestry, but the exact genetic profile of the Romans isn't clearly defined yet even if it's likely the presence of many South Italian-like individuals among the ancient Romans.

[Blondie]

Bavarians are a conglomeration of different Germanic tribes becoming one and who have assimilated some remaining Hallstatt Celts in the process. End of the story.

Exactly!

[Daco Celtic]

We all strive for the Bavarian Build

[Jana]

Germano-Celtic with dash of Roman. Like Austrians without Slavic blood, except in extreme east.

[Creoda]

They have more neolithic farmer blood than other Germans, but they don't have any 'South Italian' ancestry as far as I know if you mean modern South Italians. They likely have Roman ancestry, but the exact genetic profile of the Romans isn't clearly defined yet even if it's likely the presence of many South Italian-like individuals among the ancient Romans.

Southern German grave of a Roman soldier/settler



"distance%=1.2655"

IT_Liguria,46.2
IT_Lazio,34.6
Asturias,3.8
IT_Sardinia,2.6
FR_Corsica,2.4
Islas_Baleares,2.4
IT_Emilia-Romagna,2
Cantabria,1.2
IT_Tuscany,1.2
La_Rioja,1
Druzes,0.6
Spanish_Gitano,0.6
Cataluna,0.4
Albanians_FYROM,0.2
Castilla,0.2
IT_Marche,0.2

2-way oracles by Lukasz of Hessia and Rheinland-Pfalz

[1,] "Hessen" "0"
[2,] "59.2% SVSkane + 40.8% ITLombardia" "1.0661"
[3,] "66.4% SEEngland + 33.6% ITLombardia" "1.1989"
[4,] "67.1% NLFriesland + 32.9% ITLombardia" "1.2129"
[5,] "53% Denmark + 47% SwissItalian" "1.2152"
[6,] "57.7% SEEngland + 42.3% SwissItalian" "1.2265"
[7,] "62.2% Denmark + 37.8% ITLombardia" "1.2654"
[8,] "50.1% SVSkane + 49.9% SwissItalian" "1.3782"
[9,] "63.3% NLDrenthe + 36.7% ITFriuli" "1.3946"
[10,] "58.8% NLFriesland + 41.2% SwissItalian" "1.4021"
[11,] "61.9% NLFriesland + 38.1% ITAosta" "1.4274"
[12,] "57.6% NLOverijssel + 42.4% SwissItalian" "1.429"
[13,] "58.2% SchleswigHolstein + 41.8% SwissItalian" "1.4392"
[14,] "76.9% Walloons + 23.1% ITFriuli" "1.4756"
[15,] "65.2% SEEngland + 34.8% ITPiemonte" "1.5028"
[16,] "47.1% MecklenburgVorpommern + 52.9% ITLombardia" "1.5182"
[17,] "73.9% Walloons + 26.1% ITVeneto" "1.5301"
[18,] "66% NLFriesland + 34% ITPiemonte" "1.5338"
[19,] "79.6% Walloons + 20.4% ITBolzano" "1.5616"
[20,] "37.6% MecklenburgVorpommern + 62.4% SwissItalian" "1.5752"
[21,] "53.3% SVSkane + 46.7% ITAosta" "1.5894"
[22,] "66.8% SchleswigHolstein + 33.2% ITFriuli" "1.6016"
[23,] "61.6% SEEngland + 38.4% ITAosta" "1.6084"
[24,] "76.5% Walloons + 23.5% ITTrentino" "1.6107"
[25,] "56.4% Denmark + 43.6% ITAosta" "1.6114"
[26,] "60.6% Denmark + 39.4% ITPiemonte" "1.631"
[27,] "77.4% Walloons + 22.6% ITPiemonte" "1.6335"
[28,] "59.4% NLDrenthe + 40.6% ITVeneto" "1.651"
[29,] "56.4% Niedersachsen + 43.6% SwissItalian" "1.6721"
[30,] "29.6% SchleswigHolstein + 70.4% RheinlandPfalz" "1.6893"



[1,] "RheinlandPfalz" "0"
[2,] "70.1% Walloons + 29.9% ITFriuli" "0.6032"
[3,] "68.4% Walloons + 31.6% ITTrentino" "0.8373"
[4,] "57.1% NLDrenthe + 42.9% ITFriuli" "0.8801"
[5,] "66.9% Walloons + 33.1% ITVeneto" "0.8912"
[6,] "67.1% Walloons + 32.9% ITLadinia" "1.0317"
[7,] "60.5% Niedersachsen + 39.5% ITLombardia" "1.1833"
[8,] "54.3% NLGroningen + 45.7% ITLadinia" "1.1886"
[9,] "54.4% NLDrenthe + 45.6% ITTrentino" "1.2294"
[10,] "60% NLFriesland + 40% ITLombardia" "1.2427"
[11,] "59.8% NordrheinWestfalen + 40.2% ITFriuli" "1.244"
[12,] "59.2% SEEngland + 40.8% ITLombardia" "1.3056"
[13,] "52.4% SVSkane + 47.6% ITLombardia" "1.3171"
[14,] "73.1% Walloons + 26.9% ITPiemonte" "1.3294"
[15,] "18.8% Saarland + 81.2% Hessen" "1.3312"
[16,] "55.3% Denmark + 44.7% ITLombardia" "1.3611"
[17,] "52.5% NLDrenthe + 47.5% ITVeneto" "1.3673"
[18,] "57.1% NordrheinWestfalen + 42.9% ITTrentino" "1.3692"
[19,] "77.4% Walloons + 22.6% ITBolzano" "1.3932"
[20,] "72.1% BadenWürttemberg + 27.9% ITTrentino" "1.4318"
[21,] "67.9% NLLimburg + 32.1% ITFriuli" "1.4726"
[22,] "51.8% Niedersachsen + 48.2% SwissItalian" "1.4979"
[23,] "53.5% NLFriesland + 46.5% ITAosta" "1.5376"
[24,] "52.7% SEEngland + 47.3% ITLadinia" "1.5378"
[25,] "48% SachsenAnhalt + 52% ITLombardia" "1.55"
[26,] "75.8% BadenWürttemberg + 24.2% ITFriuli" "1.5652"
[27,] "54.2% Niedersachsen + 45.8% ITAosta" "1.5687"
[28,] "52.2% NLDrenthe + 47.8% ITLadinia" "1.5838"
[29,] "68.7% Walloons + 31.3% SwissItalian" "1.5872"
[30,] "52.7% SchleswigHolstein + 47.3% ITLadinia" "1.5993"

No sign of supposedly Calabrian-like Romans in Southern Germany, only Northern & Central Italians.