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    Quote Originally Posted by Szegedist View Post
    Can you read maps? Those 'slavs' were living in Austria, outside the Carpathian Mountain range, not within it!
    And slav =/= slovak. You slovaks are no better than Serbs who think every Slav is a Serb.
    it is historicaly proven even hungarian historians agree that in 700 ad the forefathers of slovaks had a state in nitra region of modern slovakia! if you know better than historians than go get a nobel prize.. liar

    i made extra work and overlapped the map with a raster of european countries, proved again you are chauvinist liar and dont use rational scientific brain! liar liar !

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    Warning: Be careful of propaganda from Slovak politicians. They are creating a fake "glorious past" to radicalise Slovaks and feed them hollow patriotism, so they are distracted from real issues like corruption, economy, etc. The poster "revealman" is a typical victim of this Ficoism! Even Slovak historians know this:

    Since deputy prime minister Robert Fico declared the "wise historism" concept, the history books are getting rewritten in a faster pace than before, and in an increased "spirit of national pride",[96][not in citation given] [97] which Krekovič, Mannová and Krekovičová claim are mainly nothing else, but history falsifications.[97] Such new inventions are the interpretation of Great Moravia as a (proto)-Slovak state, or the term "proto-Slovak" itself,[97] along with the "refreshing" of many "old traditions", that in fact did not exist or were not Slovak before.[97] The concept received criticism in Slovakia pointing out that the term proto-Slovak cannot be found in any serious publication, simply because it lacks any scientific basis.[98] Miroslav Kusý Slovak political scientist explained that by adopting such scientifically questionable rhetoric Fico aims to "strengthen national consciousness by falsification of history"

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    Quote Originally Posted by revealman View Post
    it si historicaly proven even hungarian historians agree that in 700 ad the forefathers of slovaks had a state in nitra region of modern slovakia! if you know better than historians than go get a nobel prize.. liar
    Ancestors of slovaks are Avars?

    And how can slovaks have had a state in 700 when they only exist since 1700s, and in 700 this land was Avar land? You went back in time with a time machine?

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    are you retarded? principality of nitra is historically proven !!! what about the maps from hungarian historians posted on page 1? you liar... you are pathetic liar trying desperately do disprove that slovaks were in middle europe before you came in 1000 ad

    coat of arms nitra when they fought the magyar khazar nomads



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Nitra
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princi...Lower_Pannonia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pribina
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Moravia


    http://www.slavorum.org/forum/discus...hVFWhQKHQTbC0g

    My aim is to target at two names in the region - Great Moravia and Szlávok - Slavs.
    Great Moravia is situated to the today's Moravia, western Slovakia and western Hungary. But it may be strange that there are no names of ethnics in the empire, except for Szlávok - Slavs. In any case Magyars perceived today's Moravians and Slovaks as one ethnic group, but different from Czechs and Poles. But who were 'those Slavs', if they weren't Czechs nor Poles, even nor Slovenians? They were Sloveni - those Sloveni from poem Proglas (863-867) and from mouth of Rastislav, the King of Great Moravia: "We Sloveni, the simple folk..." (862). Translation of Sloveni is Slavs, Sclaveni (...) in Latin, Szlávok in Magyar... Term Slavs in the map doesn't represent all Slavic ethnics, but only and explicitly the Sloveni - core inhabitants of Great Moravia. Up to now, when Magyars are not able to speak of Slovaks as a modern nation (because of some mental barriers), they usually use terms Tótok or Szlávok. And that is not abusive as they may think, but they actually approve that Slovaks are those Slavs, their ancestors had found in the Carpathian basin On topic Slovaks as Sclavs in historical sources click here.

    Later, Sloveni split up into two main nations which are known till now - Slovaks and Moravians (actually, Moravians are not fully recognized as a nation nor nationality in Czech fundamental law, anyhow Slovakia does recognize them in many ways). These two nations are separated by borders for many hundreds of years, but they feel very close to each other. Moravian culture, language (dialects, there's no codified Moravian language) and traditions are closer to Slovaks than to Czechs, moreover in the southern Moravia there is a region called Slovácko (Moravian Slovakia).



    Other Sloveni were assimilated by Magyars and partly Romanians. The remnants of Szlávok may be found in today's name of Croatia's region Slavonia. Therefore I'm not very big fan of theory Slovaks and Slovenians were one tribe before the Magyar's invasion in 10th century. Slovenians are clearly identified as different ethnic group Carantanians even before the invasion in many sources. I'd rather say they were closer in Samo's Empire in 7th cent., but not such close in 9th - 10th cent any more
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    kingdom of Hungary was made on example (and parts) of Great Moravia?


    More than just this. Kingdom of Hungary was direct successor of Great Moravia. Teritorial organization including terminology is the same in KoH as it used to be in GM. Magyar name for county "Megye" is from Slovak "Medza", leader of the county in Magyar is "ispán" a that is as well from Slovak "župan" and thus I can continue with Slovak words in Magyar into infinity.

    Interesting is also the comparation of development of settlements in different parts of former GM. When Czechs annexed western part of GM wich is now south-east region Morava of Czech republic, they let the settlements of former GM abandoned, and founded new settlements. These new settlement are here till today, cities like Brno or Olomouc. The former GM settlement now we are discovering as archeological sites.

    On contrary, the proces in eastern part of GM (including also pannonia) was different. When nomadic Magyars came into the carpathian basin, they did not destroy settlements here, they just infiltrated them. That is basically because Magyars were nomads and simply didnt know how to build a settlement. Thus the old settlements of GM in Slovakia and in Hungary are still present today. Cities like Nitra (Nitrava) or Bratislava (Preslava) in SVK or Veszprém (Bezprín), Budapest (Budín) and Esztergom (Strägom) in Hun.

    Magyars tend to claim, that they were the builders of Hungarian towns, that they came ito blank area and many more. But seriously, when they learned how to build cities, when they spent 100 years (since their arrival till foundation of KoH) by looting, pillaging and slaughterring of half of Europe? Magyars only over time learned how to lead a settled life, majority of them were nomadic up to 13th ct. And Magyar chauvinists know it. They also know very well, that everything important for settled life they learned from us. Just look at Magyar vocabulary related to agriculture, housing, cuisine and you will find that so called Magyar expressions are nothing more just deformed Slovak words. This is the reason, why Magyars hate us - Slovaks most in whole world. Because they ceated a wonderfull story about glorious victors ("vitéz" in Magyar, wich is another Slovak word "výťaz"), that stood down from horseback and started to build stone castles and cathedrals. And when they are confrontated with reality, their unconscious can not accept it. So if there is any evidence, that can undermine their version of history, they must destroy it. Therefore Magyarisation, therefore thousands Magyar coments about nonexistent Slovaks and their history on every video, that has something to do with us on youtube, therefore hatefull replies on Slovaks in every forum you can find.

    As Slovak writer Jerguš Ferko said, "It is a rebellion of cultural copy, against its original and effort to replace it".

    And I also can mention here genetics, by wich you can see how close are present Magyars and Slovaks to each other. Both are very close to Czech, Poles or Ukrainians and therefore Slavic. That just show enormous nuber of Slovaks, that have been assimilated into Magyars.
    http://www.google.at/url?url=http://...eJUIeYSfSbigzA

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    Are you seriously quoting from Slavorum (a pan-slavic ultranationalist site ) to back up your point?

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    i posted lots of proof, you have no proof at all, i refuse to argue with a chauvinist(lack of rationality and scientific logic) with no historical knowledge, go back to your khazar magyar roots..

    http://gyarapodomagyarorszagert.hu/h...IVS1oUCh1uoA-t

    carpe diem!

    here is your khazar/magyar history

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    Typical Slovak nationalist speculative fabricated history without proofs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stears View Post
    Typical Slovak nationalist speculative history without proofs.
    the proof is more than evident you ugro/khazar invader..

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    Rolland, what's your opinion?

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