does feminism make women ugly?

**King Niko** · 07-31-2015, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Elurne

I know... I wish you luck keep going

I will thank you

**Morena** · 07-31-2015, 03:27 PM

I'm not surprised some special snowflake feminist decided to start an account just to tell us how "she's different' and feminists aren't like that. There is a difference between general statements and absolute statements. When stating that feminism makes someone ugly, it doesn't mean that every single feminist out there becomes ugly once she becomes a feminist. Most feminist are just lip service feminists, claiming feminism because it is the thing to do and not giving it much thought other than that. "I am a feminist, herp derp"
But the fact of the matter is, among the feminist think tanks and those who actually live it, the overwhelming number of them are ugly both inside and outside. It doesn't matter if it is the reason for their feminism or a consequence, the meme that feminist are ugly is so universal that it was lampooned from the beginning.

Also the whole argument of "there are different types of feminism" is stupid. If there is a movement of any kind, then it should have a coherent philosophy and goals. Those goals should be shared by everyone in the movement even if the details are in dispute. Hiding behind the skirt of "that feminism isn't my feminism" doesn't cut it. It means that the movement is incoherent and void of any real motive, or feminism is inherently toxic and therefore those who are not ardent feminist try to distance themselves as much as possible from its core.

**Hydromorphone** · 07-31-2015, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by OsricPearl

I'm not surprised some special snowflake feminist decided to start an account just to tell us how "she's different' and feminists aren't like that. There is a difference between general statements and absolute statements. When stating that feminism makes someone ugly, it doesn't mean that every single feminist out there becomes ugly once she becomes a feminist. Most feminist are just lip service feminists, claiming feminism because it is the thing to do and not giving it much thought other than that. "I am a feminist, herp derp"
But the fact of the matter is, among the feminist think tanks and those who actually live it, the overwhelming number of them are ugly both inside and outside. It doesn't matter if it is the reason for their feminism or a consequence, the meme that feminist are ugly is so universal that it was lampooned from the beginning.

Also the whole argument of "there are different types of feminism" is stupid. If there is a movement of any kind, then it should have a coherent philosophy and goals. Those goals should be shared by everyone in the movement even if the details are in dispute. Hiding behind the skirt of "that feminism isn't my feminism" doesn't cut it. It means that the movement is incoherent and void of any real motive, or feminism is inherently toxic and therefore those who are not ardent feminist try to distance themselves as much as possible from its core.

Bolded some statements: absolutely agree. I find one of the biggest issues I have when I debate feminists is that the crux of many of their responses to me hinge on the fact they take my general statements as absolute ones. When you say, for example, "men are stronger than women" or "men are better swimmers" there will undoubtedly be someone who jumps in and says "I know a girl who is stronger than ALL my guy friends!" or "This woman who swam 100m did it faster than this Olympian!" When you state things like that, you're not speaking in absolutes; that all men are 100% stronger than women or that all men swim faster than women. I know plenty of women who swim faster than me. Women who compete at the olympic level are at the top of their class, and swim faster than most men who aren't athletes. But general biology tells us men have more muscle mass than women do. It's just a biological reality. Men have higher levels of free testosterone and circulating testosterone, which is a central building block for muscle mass. When people take sex hormones, also known as steroids, they take Testosterone, Testosterone derivatives, or drugs that help convert existing testosterone into the much more powerful DHT. They don't take estrogens or estradiol when they're trying to bulk up.

The same goes for anything, really. Feminists complain about the lack of women in STEM fields, but the reality is that women have different priorities. In todays world more than any, women are not discouraged from going into these fields, in fact, women in the western world are actually encouraged to pursue these fields. But even with all that, the balance leans towards men in many of these professions, simply because men and women have different priorities in life, and more men are drawn naturally to some of these fields than women are. When I say that, I'm not saying "women don't like science", which is what many feminists would try and argue from my post. There are tons of women interest in STEM fields, in science, in math. But I'm speaking in broad terms, in a general sense, not an absolute sense.

Feminists also will constantly pull the "Not MY feminism" or no true scotsman fallacy. The thing is, they'll say "that doesn't represent feminism" over and over with so many examples that if you follow that to it's natural conclusion, eventually they are saying that basically nothing truly represents feminism except for a general idea about equality. But from liberal feminism, it doesn't get much better. Communist feminists, or radical feminists are much worse in their goals and ideologies than liberal feminists. So which one is the true ideology? It may have been true in the past that feminism represented concrete goals and ideas, the early waves were united in what they wanted to accomplish, such as voting rights, or abortion. But today, since lawful equality truly has been achieved, most feminists are aimless in their goals and instead of real equality they are simply aiming to change certain social aspects of society they don't like, rather than achieving equality at the legal level. By that I mean, it's illegal to circumsize women, they can drive, vote, go into any field or profession, there are discrimination laws, gender quotas in some areas, and in the judicial system, it is entirely geared towards women and they fare much better than men do with nearly everything. A woman who trafficks drugs often gets the minimum, whilst a man gets extra time. They get less time for murder. They win nearly every child custody case. A 30 year old women will not even be charged for sleeping with a 16 year old male whilst a 30 year old male will be labeled a pedophile and sent to prison right away for sleeping with a 16 year old female. It's so geared towards women it's not even funny.

**~~Lightman~~** · 08-02-2015, 05:08 AM

We men will not subjugated then emasculated by the gynarchist supremacists. We must reassert our patriarchal dominance and terrorize the feminists through mass rape campaign where once and for all men will liberated and same time nullify the women's pride.