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    Quote Originally Posted by dhunter93 View Post
    I am not sure what you are looking for? N1B even the Ashkenazi (16176A) is from Europe https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms3543
    N1b originates is the Caucasus, what's your concern?
    Hmm? Nothing, man, only "musing" over the origin of my mtdna haplogroup. It's pretty little understood.

    I agree that the haplogroup probably did not arise from Ashkenazi ethnogenesis, although the N1b2 subclade (which I believe is what you are referencing) probably did first arise in Italy or just east of there.

    And what is the evidence that the Caucasus is the origin-point? N1b is rather old in the Levant, and I am not aware of any samples older than the Natufian individual who was found to belong to the haplogroup. It can actually probably be considered to be one of the subclades of haplogroups derived directly from "Basal Eurasians". That is speculation, but likely nevertheless. In turn, I believe one (or more?) of my precise subclade (N1b1b) was found among those Balkan Neolithic cultures (just east/southeast of LBK).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    Referring to the Natufians? I edited my earlier comment to acknowledge them. Like I said, it's a very Levantine Mesolithic/Neolithic lineage (N1b itself, that is).

    I will say, though, While more of the Ashkenazi N1b is N1b2, a disproportionately high amount Do seem to carry my subclade, particularly among Litvaks. No doubt it was "Picked up" in Eastern Europe. It is not really found in Ashkenazim outside of the old Pale.

    So, N1b chills in the Levant for some time, with some members migrating westward as part of the Levantine component that went into what would become the Anatolian farmers. Did then N1b1 just see a branch go up into the caucasus, and another into Anatolia (And then Europe from there?)

    Or is it more complicated, and is some Eastern European N1b1 from the Caucasus branch? Steppe-folk moved women around from everywhere, after all. Is all N1b1b from the Tisza Culture/Neolithic Southeast Europe?
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    Latest post on davidskis blog features a study with “proto” N1b among so called Gravettians

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