Why is not Turkey still in the EU?

[Böri]

Just this is the point.

If Turkey make part of the most significants international assosiations, why not the EU?

I guess there is not a great interest from the part of Turkish Governants in entering. Or?

EU is more like a Christian cultural union even integration of small and not so relevant countries like Bosnia or Albania is a problem with this aspect. Most Turks want to enter EU even Islamists only pro-Russia-China Kemalists and Leftists oppose, In their historical evolution the Turks were a folk bits complexed and imitating others. We see this in Orkhon scripts when Bilge Kagan says imitating Chinese destroyed the Göktürk. Then we imitated Persians, then Rum/Byzantium and finally for 200 years the West. Turks like to imitate others, this is fact as historical aspect.

[Methmatician]

because Turkey isn't in Europe, its culture is incompatible with our values and democracies.

Those aren't really valid excuses.

- Turkey is in Europe regardless of how much whereas Cyprus is an island that's much closer to the Middle-East than it is to Europe.
- Greeks are closer to Turks than they are to the British, there is no one single 'European culture'. Europe is diverse.
- European countries also don't share the same values and are not all democratic. Turkey is more 'democratic' than Russia, Belarus, and possibly Ukraine but the three aforementioned countries are European.

If Turkey can fulfil the requirements for joining the EU then that's really all they need. The EU is a political and economic union, not a cultural one.

[Peter Nirsch]

Those aren't really valid excuses.

- Turkey is in Europe regardless of how much whereas Cyprus is an island that's much closer to the Middle-East than it is to Europe.
- Greeks are closer to Turks than they are to the British, there is no one single 'European culture'. Europe is diverse.
- European countries also don't share the same values and are not all democratic. Turkey is more 'democratic' than Russia, Belarus, and possibly Ukraine but the three aforementioned countries are European.

If Turkey can fulfil the requirements for joining the EU then that's really all they need. The EU is a political and economic union, not a cultural one.

-Republic of Cyprus is a Christian and democratic country, it's culturally linked to Greece, which represents one of the earths of European culture.
-Greeks have nothing to spare with Turkey, their religion, language, traditions ara totally different.
-You have listed country which don't belong to the EU.

Are you Australian? well Turkey in Europe is like Indonesia in Australia. Why don't you annex it to Australia?

[Methmatician]

-Republic of Cyprus is a Christian and democratic country, it's culturally linked to Greece, which represents one of the earths of European culture.

We have some values from Ancient Greece but an Englishman in Greece will feel as out of place as an Englishman in Turkey.

-Greeks have nothing to spare with Turkey, their religion, language, traditions ara totally different.

Compared to the UK, France, and Germany? Not so much imo.

-You have listed country which don't belong to the EU.

But are European nonetheless and that was your excuse for not wanting Turkey in the EU.

Are you Australian? well Turkey in Europe is like Indonesia in Australia. Why don't you annex it to Australia?

That's not really similar. Australia is a country founded by European colonists located in Asia. It would be like if Mongols colonised a place in Europe and made their own country there. Turkey and Europe would be more like Iran and the Middle-East.

[Peter Nirsch]

We have some values from Ancient Greece but an Englishman in Greece will feel as out of place as an Englishman in Turkey.

Compared to the UK, France, and Germany? Not so much imo.

But are European nonetheless and that was your excuse for not wanting Turkey in the EU.

That's not really similar. Australia is a country founded by European colonists located in Asia. It would be like if Mongols colonised a place in Europe and made their own country there. Turkey and Europe would be more like Iran and the Middle-East.

-You probably never been to the EU, nowadays people and expecially younger ones are conformed to same values and habits, though every country mantains its pecularities, the EU is going to be like the USA, people from Florida are different than the ones living in Montana, but they recognize themselves into same values.
-Comparing Russia to the EU is like comparing Brazil to Canada. They are both in America but they have different people and their traditions are totally different.
-Also Indonesia was founded by European colonists, until the WWII it belonged to the Netherlands.

[Böri]

The Bosniaks and M. Albanians support Turkey in the EU because for them if Turkey destroy bridges with Euro Atlantic sphere their cultural, social, religious existence endangered, it's not because Turks so European. Because Turkey guarantor. Everyone has his own reason in the end.

-Republic of Cyprus is a Christian and democratic country, it's culturally linked to Greece, which represents one of the earths of European culture.

Greek Cypriots are racially similar to Levantines though. I thought you cared about this.

[Absinthe]

Turkey is huge and diverse when it comes to genes, culture and lifestyles.

My beloved friends in Istanbul are upper-middle class, secular, very modern and European-minded and they would very easily adapt to the European lifestyle should Turkey join the EU.

But a large number of Turks are more backward, religious and culturally oriented towards the East rather than the West. Erdogan has made a great job reversing the aeons of progress and cultural advancement that Turkey has made since Ataturk, unfortunately

I can think of a great benefit: if Turkey joined EU then it would be the first country of entrance and according to the Dublin 2 convention it would be forced to keep illegal immigrants from the East to itself.
I am not saying this in a bad heart; but it is true that all illegal immigrants asides Africans, enter the EU via Turkey, and then they are stuck in Greece which has already too many problems of her own.

All that being said I don't know if Turkey would want to enter the EU anyway; the myth of the European heaven has been debunked and they are probably better off on their own.

[Böri]

Turkey is huge and diverse when it comes to genes, culture and lifestyles.

My beloved friends in Istanbul are upper-middle class, secular, very modern and European-minded and they would very easily adapt to the European lifestyle should Turkey join the EU.

But a large number of Turks are more backward, religious and culturally oriented towards the East rather than the West. Erdogan has made a great job reversing the aeons of progress and cultural advancement that Turkey has made since Ataturk, unfortunately

I can think of a great benefit: if Turkey joined EU then it would be the first country of entrance and according to the Dublin 2 convention it would be forced to keep illegal immigrants from the East to itself.
I am not saying this in a bad heart; but it is true that all illegal immigrants asides Africans, enter the EU via Turkey, and then they are stuck in Greece which has already too many problems of her own.

All that being said I don't know if Turkey would want to enter the EU anyway; the myth of the European heaven has been debunked and they are probably better off on their own.

If Izmir wants to be Aegean secular rep. and wants to join Greece and EU you can have them but I doubt they would want to pay your debts. They already rely on other more working and producing areas of Turkey.

[Ryujin]

Turkey is huge and diverse when it comes to genes, culture and lifestyles.

My beloved friends in Istanbul are upper-middle class, secular, very modern and European-minded and they would very easily adapt to the European lifestyle should Turkey join the EU.

But a large number of Turks are more backward, religious and culturally oriented towards the East rather than the West. Erdogan has made a great job reversing the aeons of progress and cultural advancement that Turkey has made since Ataturk, unfortunately

I can think of a great benefit: if Turkey joined EU then it would be the first country of entrance and according to the Dublin 2 convention it would be forced to keep illegal immigrants from the East to itself.
I am not saying this in a bad heart; but it is true that all illegal immigrants asides Africans, enter the EU via Turkey, and then they are stuck in Greece which has already too many problems of her own.

All that being said I don't know if Turkey would want to enter the EU anyway; the myth of the European heaven has been debunked and they are probably better off on their own.

Turkey's EU membership can faciliate the modernization process tho.

First of all; Turkey is an officially negotiating country which means the EU regards it as a European country. They rejected Morocco. Turkey has been more or less affiliated with Europe for the last a couple of centuries. And the assertion that %97 of it being not in Europe is invalid since Cyprus is %100 Asian. And Turkey has parts in the Aegean Coast and Black Sea; along with other EU countries.

Btw, Italy and the UK have been staunch supporters of Turkey joining, Queen B. The rest does not oppose either. Just France and Germany. Cyprus issue is soon to be resolved also.

[Absinthe]

If Izmir wants to be Aegean secular rep. and wants to join Greece and EU you can have them but I doubt they would want to pay your debts. They already rely on other more working and producing areas of Turkey.

Nobody asked them to pay our debts so that was a cheap shot. Historically they are co-responsible for our downfall because the most problematic and counter-productive mentalities in Greece stem from the Ottoman years (rusvet, torpil, etc). In my opinion Greece has never recovered from this era and never will - with all good and bad that comes with it; we are almost blended into one entity, religion aside.