Why Belarusians don't speak their own language?

[Rugevit]

And how many rebellions of East Slavs were under Lithuanian and Poland rule?
As far as I know, since the XVI century the ukranian lands under the Polish reign were under constant rebellion.

Russian occupation of Belarus... It is a fairy tail for retarded persons.
Russians have always brotherhood feeling to the Belarussians.
But I see you prefer be governed by Poles, who even have the term of Servitude Nations. Hlopskie Natsii.

Intersting reference annoying the belarussian nationalists I found now.
http://www.contrtv.ru/common/2763/

There were no rebellions in Belarus during Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth was formed as part of the agreement signed in Lublin in 1569. The agreement was reached because of constant threats from Muscovites in eastern territories of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Muscovites ravaged Polotsk eyeing Vilnius which was not far from Polotsk city. East Slavs rebelled twice in the 19th century against Tsarist rule which resulted in ban of Belarusian schools , print in Belarusian language as well as intensification of conversion of Greek Catholic to Orthodoxy .

Russian occupation of Belarus... It is a fairy tail for retarded persons.
Russians have always brotherhood feeling to the Belarussians.
But I see you prefer be governed by Poles, who even have the term of Servitude Nations. Hlopskie Natsii.

Intersting reference annoying the belarussian nationalists I found now.
http://www.contrtv.ru/common/2763/

Russians also had brotherly feelings towards Ukrainians . Probably more than for the Belarusians in the past. So much so that Russian volunteers fight against Ukrainians in eastern Ukraine nowadays. As I said few consider Russians a brotherly nation. 'Brotherly nations' is propaganda fed to you by politicians over the years on purpose. In saying this there is no hatred towards the Russians either. I also gave you a brief account of historic events - partitioning of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in 1795, participation of Belarusians in Napoleonic war against Russia in return of independence. Two rebellions in the 19th century in Belarus followed by the ban of Belarusian school and print in Belarusian languagesl Not to mention endless wars that ancestors of Belarusians fought against ancestors of Russians prior to the partition of Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth. It was the occupation of Belarus, Ukraine, Poland and the Baltic states by Russia and Soviet Russia followed by russification.

[Sanyok]

OK, OK. I understood your point of view. Such russian-haters are there even in Russia.

Returning to topic theme.

Example of poem in belarrusian language about Trotskist-Bukharin's sadists apparently of the 1920's

Belarussian:

Мала iх павесiць
На сухой асiне,
Бо нават асiна
Ад сябе адкiне.
Дзерава адкiне,
Дзерава сухое
Сябе не спаганiць
Поскуддзю такою
...
Хай калом магiла
Для вас, злыднi, будзе,
Каб гэтай магiлы
Цуралiся людзи!
Каб гукалi совы
Па-над вамi, псамi,
Косцi расцягалi
Груганы з ваўкамi.

The poem may be easy translated in Russian, without loosing rhyme and keeping every single word.

Мало их повесить
На сухой осине,
Бо назад осина
От себя откинет.
Дерево откинет
Дерево сухое
Себя не споганит
Паскудою такою.
...
Хай калом могила
Для вас, злыдни, будет,
Каб этой могилы
Чуралися люди.
Каб гукали совы,
По-над вами, псами,
Кости растягали
Вороны с волками.

The only incoprehensible word for russian were underlined. Still, maybe it was known in russian dialects.
All the rest difference is the maximum difference in transcription of the same sounds. If not reading, but listening this poem russian would hardly determine that it is in not russian language. The village dialects of some russian regions differed more then this so-called foreign language.

Since then, I suppose, the "development" of belarussian language made it farther from russian.

[Rugevit]

OK, OK. I understood your point of view. Such russian-haters are there even in Russia.

Returning to topic theme.

Example of poem in belarrusian language about Trotskist-Bukharin's sadists apparently of the 1920's

Belarussian:

Мала iх павесiць
На сухой асiне,
Бо нават асiна
Ад сябе адкiне.
Дзерава адкiне,
Дзерава сухое
Сябе не спаганiць
Поскуддзю такою
...
Хай калом магiла
Для вас, злыднi, будзе,
Каб гэтай магiлы
Цуралiся людзи!
Каб гукалi совы
Па-над вамi, псамi,
Косцi расцягалi
Груганы з ваўкамi.

The poem may be easy translated in Russian, without loosing rhyme and keeping every single word.

Мало их повесить
На сухой осине,
Бо назад осина
От себя откинет.
Дерево откинет
Дерево сухое
Себя не споганит
Паскудою такою.
...
Хай калом могила
Для вас, злыдни, будет,
Каб этой могилы
Чуралися люди.
Каб гукали совы,
По-над вами, псами,
Кости растягали
Вороны с волками.

The only incoprehensible word for russian were underlined. Still, maybe it was known in russian dialects.
All the rest difference is the maximum difference in transcription of the same sounds. If not reading, but listening this poem russian would hardly determine that it is in not russian language. The village dialects of some russian regions differed more then this so-called foreign language.

Since then, I suppose, the "development" of belarussian language made it farther from russian.

I already wrote earlier that if Russian Federation disintegrates as a political entity few countries if any will shed a single tear including Ukraine and Belarus. Russia and soviet union have not been the best of empires that ever existed for many reasons. But Russian Federation is a state, not the Russian people who are judged on personal merits rather than on the fact of their citizenship. So comments such as "Russian haters" have no basis.

Modern literary Belarusian was based on Belarusian dialects spoken between Minsk and Vilnius, as Belarusian elite lived and worked in those cities. If they wanted to make Belarusian literary language being more distinct from Russian, they would have chosen dialects spoken in most western Belarus at the time , which is in present day Bilaystok, eastern Poland .

[Bezprym]

Białystok and Eastern Poland are not in geographically White Rus. Southern parts of Eastern Poland are in Red Rus (while majority of these lands are in present-day Ukraine). Even Belarusian city of Brest, which is located just near the border with Poland, is in Black Rus. Not White. Rus =/= Belarus.

About Białystok I am not 100% sure. It is either Black Rus or Prussia. But definitely eastern parts of Poland are more connected with Ruthenians (Ukrainians/Belarusians), and share some similarities, for example in way of speech.

[Rugevit]

A Russian linguist A. F. Zhuravlyov published a doctoral dissertation called "Lexostatistical model of Slavic linguistic affinity". The author developed a statistical model utilising large samples of Slavic words to evaluate lexical distances between Slavic languages.

Samples were obtained from "Etymological dictionary of Slavic languages. Proto-Slavic lexical stock". Currently, there are 39 volumes in the dictionary. Sample sizes (p.113).

Old Church Slavonic — 1124 words
Bulgarian — 3262
Macedonian — 2035
Serbo-Croatian — 4568
Slovenian — 3519

Czech — 4264
Slovak — 2933
Polish -- 3350
Upper Lusatian — 1895
Lower Lusatian — 1574
Polabian — 452
Kashub-Slovincian — 1683

Old Russian — 2681
Middle Russian — 3834
Southern Russian — 3833
Ukrainian — 3905
Belarusian — 3288


Dissertation :http://www.inslav.ru/images/stories/..._Zhuravlev.pdf
Etymological dictionary of Slavic languages:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymol...avic_languages



The plot of similarities between Slavic languages based on lexicostatistical distances from Zhurvalyov's dissertation. Larger resolution : http://postimg.org/image/gzjx1cmy9/full/

[TheGoldenSon]

I don't see where is such fuss about it. Serbs and Croats voluntarily reformed their languages in accordance with the Bosnian language in Hum, thanks to the works of Vuk Karadžić on the Serb and Ivan Mažuranić Croatian side. It's just a natural process, they are abandoning a less used version of their language in exchange of using the much more established infrastructure of a more widespread language similar to their own.

[ЛыSSый]

There was no Nazi ideology in WWI. There are political interests irrespective what people think about each on personal level.

main difference, that the russia got to your country equal rights with its, but gemnaians helped to create puppet beggar colony.

There can be no Russian occupation as such? And Russia is like that princess that does not shit. Dude! You need to think outside of square.

that was a reunion. а потом ты недомеваешь, с каких хуёв змагарчуков дыбилами и пидарасами называют.

[Rugevit]

Białystok and Eastern Poland are not in geographically White Rus. Southern parts of Eastern Poland are in Red Rus (while majority of these lands are in present-day Ukraine). Even Belarusian city of Brest, which is located just near the border with Poland, is in Black Rus. Not White. Rus =/= Belarus.

About Białystok I am not 100% sure. It is either Black Rus or Prussia. But definitely eastern parts of Poland are more connected with Ruthenians (Ukrainians/Belarusians), and share some similarities, for example in way of speech.

In distant history White Rus was in several regions. Finally, the name was given to northern Belarus (Viciebsk region) & eastern Belarus (Mahiliou region). The name Belarus was applied to south-eastern Belarus, southern Belarus , central and western Belarus later. The dialects of the Belarusian language (east Slavic language) were spoken around Bialystok 100-120 years ago at the time modern Belarusian literary language was codified. Bialystok was probably part of historic black Rus region.

[Bezprym]

To which times do you refer? Firstly, it was simply considered as Rus; colours which describe directions had to be known much later.

But yes, dialects were spoken here. Even after World War II in Eastern part of Poland (its southern part located near Ukraine) people were speaking in "chachłacka mowa", which was a Polish dialect of Ukrainian language. Unfortunately, it is going to be extinct. But we still speak differently than other Poles, a bit. Political borders are simply political, not ethnical. So although a shape of a country had changed, people stayed. As Józef Ignacy Kraszewski written in his poem: Who was born here, who live for years here - will not give up his hut even for all gold of the world.

[Rugevit]

To which times do you refer? Firstly, it was simply considered as Rus; colours which describe directions had to be known much later.

But yes, dialects were spoken here. Even after World War II in Eastern part of Poland (its southern part located near Ukraine) people were speaking in "chachłacka mowa", which was a Polish dialect of Ukrainian language. Unfortunately, it is going to be extinct. But we still speak differently than other Poles, a bit. Political borders are simply political, not ethnical. So although a shape of a country had changed, people stayed. As Józef Ignacy Kraszewski written in his poem: Who was born here, who live for years here - will not give up his hut even for all gold of the world.

There is a book written on origins of the term Belarus. There is plenty of information on the subject.

The first mentioning of the Ruthenia Alba was in the 12th century. The name was applied to different regions of what's today north-western Russia, northern Belarus, Latvia and some other region in various chronicles. In 16-17 century the name was applied to what is northern Belarus and adjacent districts of Russia. After the partition of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth a Belarusian governate was formed in 1796 with administrative centre in Viciebsk encompassing territories of what is present -day north-eastern and eastern Belarus as well as adjacent districts in western Russia. It existed for 5 years until it was replaced by Viciebsk and Mahiliou governates. The name was commonly used in reference to one ethnographic region.

The first Belarusian governate (1796-1802)