Battle of Bileca

[RandoBloom]

Serbia, however, was not a vassal of Bosnia and even if it was, vassal state is still a separate state.

You are, again, using your imagination as historical source.

Then say it aloud that Stjepan Tomasevic owed no loyalty to his father Stjepan Tomas who placed him on the throne to rule Serbia
Vasal state but separate
Yeah thats how it works. Stop playing EU4

[RandoBloom]

Is there a document where Stefan Tomasevic pledged loyalty to his father? If there is no such document, he didn't owe him anything and their relations as rulers would depend on father and son relations.

Vassal state but separate, yes, what is the problem with that?

I never played EU4, I played third part.

You are so desperate to show you were not a part of Bosnia and ruled by Bosniaks even before Ottomans came. All you had to say is said

[RandoBloom]

I can't say we were part of Bosnia when I never found a historical evidence we were. Sorry but your conclusion is not an evidence.

And Bosniaks didn't exist in Middle Ages.

[Barsad]

I can't say we were part of Bosnia when I never found a historical evidence we were. Sorry but your conclusion is not an evidence.

And Bosniaks didn't exist in Middle Ages.

I'm sorry what?

[The Destroyer]

Prođe još jedna godina. Ostaje žal. Nekad su se Bošnjaci branili u Bileći i na Drini, danas su naše najistočnije tačke Sarajevo, Mostar i Tuzla. Najgore je imati slavnu prošlost a jadnu sadašnjost.

[Laberia]

The Battle of Bileća was fought on 27 August 1388 between Bosniak forces led by Duke Vlatko Vuković and the Ottomans under the leadership of Lala Shahin Pasha. Vlatkos army numbered 7,000 fighters from Bosnia, and Shahin Pashas army numbered 18,000 fighters. It was the first facing of Turks at Rudine, the Bosniaks, although fewer, finally fought near the town of Bileća and gave them a defeat, which delayed the Ottomans' advances into Bosnia. Shahin Pasha escaped by fleeing, while the losses in the victorious ranks were insignificant.

The Battle has left a great impression on the people of that era who engraved at the tomb of Duke Vlatko in Boljuni near Stolac the following inscription:

Ase leži dobri čoek Vlatko Vuković. Vojvoda Vlatko je prvi pobijedio Turke kod Bileće 27. avgusta 1388. (ɖсє ʌєжн Δобϸн vоєк □ʌɖmко □ɣко□нƛ. □ʌɖmко ѣ пϸ□н побнѣΔно mɣϸкє коΔ бнʌєƛє 27. ɖɣгɣсmɖ 1388.)
(Here lies the good man Vlatko Vuković. Duke Vlatko was the first who defeated the Turks at Bileća August 27th 1388.)

Slava nasem heroju Vlatku Kosaci Bosnjaku!



Bog Bosna Bosnjaci!

EDIT: I just read on a website that Serbian forces under the command of Đurad Balšić, an independent Serb noblemen participated in the battle on the side of the Ottomans. Fun stuff, dunno if it's true.

Just to correct something: not Balshiç, the correct name was Balshaj and they were an Albanian noble family.

[Laberia]

Good thing you posted his summary, he deserves it. Yes, Bosniaks fought with Serbs at Kosovo against Turks. Never heard a "thank you" for it from Serbs, btw.

In the battle of Kosova partecipated also Albanians, Croats, Vlachs.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...45#post3841745

[davai]

In the battle of Kosova partecipated also Albanians, Croats, Vlachs.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...45#post3841745

new paper from V.Sotirović.))

https://www.academia.edu/28125429/Ar...rlin_Congress_

subhuman

[Laberia]

new paper from V.Sotirović.))

https://www.academia.edu/28125429/Ar...rlin_Congress_

subhuman

Vlachopoula, what the hell is this, because i don't have time for your Sotiroviç.

[Böri]

That was not a battle but a Bosniak-Albanian joint ambush on Turks.

It's part of the greater Kosovo battle.

Vassalized Traitor northern Albanian prince told his master Murad I, ''Bosnian King Trvtko is our enemy, help me against him''. Murad sent thousands of Akinjis to raid Bosnia. Yet, it was a cunning plan by the Albanian. Bosniaks and some Albanians all under Vlatko Vukovic ambushed Turks near place called Bileca, the expedition was slayed.

That's how Turkish history channels explain:



So, Bileca was not a battle but an ambush.

Later at Kosovo 1389, Murad I slayed all Balkanites united in single army.
Turkish sources confirm that we bribed Serbian prince Vuk Brankovic, Murad telling him ''leave Lazar with me alone, you will get crown of Serbia''. Vuk left. And everyone left on field of Kosovo was slaughtered. There were Lazar and his Serbs, Herzegovinians, Croats, Vlahs, Albanians, Bosniaks, Bulgarians, Hungarians.