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    interesting info. thanks OP

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    ja idem kad se meni ide pićiću i kad meni odgovara.

    pored toga ti si mi jedan od omiljenijih dovnića, koga se može još tako lako prcat nego tebe glupane jedan glupavi??
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Destroyer View Post
    The Battle of Bileća was fought on 27 August 1388 between Bosniak forces led by Duke Vlatko Vuković and the Ottomans under the leadership of Lala Shahin Pasha. Vlatkos army numbered 7,000 fighters from Bosnia, and Shahin Pashas army numbered 18,000 fighters. It was the first facing of Turks at Rudine, the Bosniaks, although fewer, finally fought near the town of Bileća and gave them a defeat, which delayed the Ottomans' advances into Bosnia. Shahin Pasha escaped by fleeing, while the losses in the victorious ranks were insignificant.

    The Battle has left a great impression on the people of that era who engraved at the tomb of Duke Vlatko in Boljuni near Stolac the following inscription:

    Ase leži dobri čoek Vlatko Vuković. Vojvoda Vlatko je prvi pobijedio Turke kod Bileće 27. avgusta 1388. (I would have written the Bosnian script in Bosancica, but Im not on my home computer)
    (Here lies the good man Vlatko Vuković. Duke Vlatko was the first who defeated the Turks at Bileća August 27th 1388.)

    Slava nasem heroju Vlatku Kosaci Bosnjaku!



    Bog Bosna Bosnjaci!
    It wasnt the Ottoman regular army it was small vanguard units checking where until they can push with no resistance from enemy. The Bosnian victory could be decisive but the battle herself wasnt decisive for this reason. It's like when Serbian forces defeated another small Ottoman vanguard troops in Ploshnik in 1387.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Plo%C4%8Dnik

    We lost here because Serbian forces ambushed Ottomans in mountain and highland regions in Niş Sofya region.

    The sultan didnt participate himself to both as he was fighting in East for Seljuk bakiya city of Konya against Karamanids who were also Muslim Turks. Karamanids were more serious threat for Ottomans then any Balkan forces.
    However after these small defeats the Serbian administration felt audacious and there was plan to organize a huge crusade together with Hungarians and Wallachians. This is when Murad 1 decided to solve the Serbian-Bosnian question.

    And Murad chose Kosovo which wasnt mountains and the year 1389 so right after these two insignificant battle to deliver the decisive battle. Murad was present in Kosovo, the Serbian king Hebrelyanovic was present in Kosovo and also the Bosniak commander winning in OP referred battle Vladko Vukoviē was also present in Kosovo. The Ottomans won the decisive victory and it was Bayezid's Ottoman right flank storm against Bosnian forces of Vukovic (Crusaders left) which broke the Serbian lines, Serbian center flanked and Hebrelyanovic killed in combat also Pal Kastrioti from that Albanian noble family was among the dead. All this I say to say this was more like skirmish than decisive battle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witness View Post
    It wasnt the Ottoman regular army it was small vanguard units checking where until they can push with no resistance from enemy. The Bosnian victory could be decisive but the battle herself wasnt decisive for this reason. It's like when Serbian forces defeated another small Ottoman vanguard troops in Ploshnik in 1387.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Plo%C4%8Dnik

    We lost here because Serbian forces ambushed Ottomans in mountain and highland regions in Niş Sofya region.

    The sultan didnt participate himself to both as he was fighting in East for Seljuk bakiya city of Konya against Karamanids who were also Muslim Turks. Karamanids were more serious threat for Ottomans then any Balkan forces.
    However after these small defeats the Serbian administration felt audacious and there was plan to organize a huge crusade together with Hungarians and Wallachians. This is when Murad 1 decided to solve the Serbian-Bosnian question.

    And Murad chose Kosovo which wasnt mountains and the year 1389 so right after these two insignificant battle to deliver the decisive battle. Murad was present in Kosovo, the Serbian king Hebrelyanovic was present in Kosovo and also the Bosniak commander winning in OP referred battle Vladko Vukoviē was also present in Kosovo. The Ottomans won the decisive victory and it was Bayezid's Ottoman right flank storm against Bosnian forces of Vukovic (Crusaders left) which broke the Serbian lines, Serbian center flanked and Hebrelyanovic killed in combat also Pal Kastrioti from that Albanian noble family was among the dead. All this I say to say this was more like skirmish than decisive battle.
    From the Ottoman perspective, yes, likely. But from Bosniak perspective Bileca was much more important than Kosovo, simply because Ottomans threatened Serbs at Kosovo (the battle was not of high importance to Bosniaks), while Bileca was a decently sized Ottoman force inside Bosnia, that threataned not Serbs, but Bosniaks. It's all a matter of personal perspective I guess.
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    There is no such thing as a moderate Serb. Every Serb is a supporter of the Chetnik ideology to some degree. Some Serbs like Davai are openly chetniks, while others like rv12aval are cryptochetniks who hide behind Bratsvo I Jedinstvo and other such concepts. Yugoslav partisans believer in the chetnik ideology, but could not display it openly because otherwise they couldn't recruit naive Croats and Bosniaks, which were necessary for victory. We shouldn't make a difference between a Serb and a chetnik, the two are exactly the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Destroyer View Post
    From the Ottoman perspective, yes, likely. But from Bosniak perspective Bileca was much more important than Kosovo, simply because Ottomans threatened Serbs at Kosovo (the battle was not of high importance to Bosniaks), while Bileca was a decently sized Ottoman force inside Bosnia, that threataned not Serbs, but Bosniaks. It's all a matter of personal perspective I guess.
    Banate of Bosnia became Kingdom end of 1370s. Bosnian Kingdom survived until 1463 so it halted around 80 years if this battle can be seen like this. But Serbia was more geographic important. Serbia needed to fall first before Bosnia becomes a target which can be taken and it did, Serbia fell in 1389 in Kosovo truly as it lost independence and Lazar dynasty became dependent vassals of Ottomans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witness View Post
    Banate of Bosnia became Kingdom end of 1370s. Bosnian Kingdom survived until 1463 so it halted around 80 years if this battle can be seen like this. But Serbia was more geographic important. Serbia needed to fall first before Bosnia becomes a target which can be taken and it did, Serbia fell in 1389 in Kosovo truly as it lost independence and Lazar dynasty became dependent vassals of Ottomans.
    This victory brought us 75 years of independence from the Ottomans.
    If the last two kings werent morons when it comes to religious issues in Bosnia, I dont think you could have taken the country in a 100 more years. By which time Habsburgs would already rise to block you
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