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    (1) Real nationalists - "European nationalities and ethnic groups look different from each other. Swedes look one way, Poles look another way, Austrians look one way, Spaniards look another way, Greeks another way etc. etc. and let that be that."

    Pan-Europeanists - "Everyone in Europe looks pretty much the same and the distinctive darker types in Southern Europe (...)
    In question (1), I am 100% a pan-Europeanist.

    (2) Real nationalists - "Each country has the right to govern itself according to its own laws, traditions and customs."

    Pan-Europeanists - "We need a one-size-fits-all model for all of Europe, which in practice means rule by Germany."
    (2) I agree with real nationalists, but I am also not against close friendship between European nations. Not under one hegemony though, but as a true partnership of independent nations.

    So here I am split 75/25 between nationalists and pan-Europeanists.

    (3) Real nationalists - "Each European language has the right to exist and is valuable in its own right."

    Pan-Europeanists - "In order to achieve European unity, everyone in Europe should speak English and sod all the other languages."
    (3) I say that every language has the right to exist, but a lingua franca is also a good idea.

    So I am split 50/50 on this question.

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    Overall score:

    Pan-Europeanist versus real nationalist:

    Question (1) - 100 / 0
    Question (2) - 25 / 75
    Question (3) - 50 / 50

    Total - 175 (58%) versus 125 (42%)

    This means that I am slightly more of a pan-Europeanist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Etain View Post
    And what is that?
    I am a Syrian refugee.

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    Using Litvin's analysis:

    Pan-Europeanist versus real nationalist:

    Question (1) - 50 / 50 (A general European look but with significant regional differences. Immigrants preferred from nearby countries then other European countries.)
    Question (2) - 25 / 75 (Independent nations with basic trade agreements and military cooperation within an alliance.)
    Question (3) - 25 / 75 (Regional cultural preservation should be supported but English as a second language for non-British/Irish obviously makes sense.)

    Total - 100 (33%) versus 200 (67%) so I am a British nationalist but with significant empathy for Europe.

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    pan R1ethelism for ever!

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    Pan-European nationalism is almost as silly as white nationalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Journeyman26 View Post
    Nationalism has nothing to do with ethnicity... a nation is a geo-political designation, thus nation-alism is a geopolitical matter. Ethnicity is just a tool often used by a nation to build national unity, whether ethnic or historic associations exist at all.
    Fair comment, but civic nationalism can exist in combination with the stricter form of ethno-nationalism.

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    Europeans should be dominated by one central pan-nationalist movement and authority.

    Non-europeans should be given a second-class citizenship status and populations strictly regulated (lower than 5-15% of a host population depending on the country).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iltirbas View Post
    Pan-European nationalism is almost as silly as white nationalism.
    Neither of the two is silly.

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    1. Real nationalist
    2. Real nationalist, but having close cooperation and friendship with other European countries
    3. Real nationalist (English spoken as a secondary language, same as now)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    (1) Real nationalists - "European nationalities and ethnic groups look different from each other. Swedes look one way, Poles look another way, Austrians look one way, Spaniards look another way, Greeks another way etc. etc. and let that be that."

    Pan-Europeanists - "Everyone in Europe looks pretty much the same and the distinctive darker types in Southern Europe are not real natives, but Gypsies, immigrants and assimilated Turks".

    (2) Real nationalists - "Each country has the right to govern itself according to its own laws, traditions and customs."

    Pan-Europeanists - "We need a one-size-fits-all model for all of Europe, which in practice means rule by Germany."

    (3) Real nationalists - "Each European language has the right to exist and is valuable in its own right."

    Pan-Europeanists - "In order to achieve European unity, everyone in Europe should speak English and sod all the other languages."

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