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    sourcehttp://www.posavski-vremeplov.com/zapisi-o-zemlji/od-pradomovine-do-domovine/

    Vučedol culture - symbol of God and King -first European rulers

    Arheological item that show it was here that the first proto-industrial revolution ocurred, show that the first mass production of the axe,that prehistoric weapon, also signaled the formation of the first European army, and rulers, for the axe was at the time a symbol not only of divine but also of regal power. In metallurgy, Vučedol was actually a step ahead of the known civilizations of the time, it is comparable only with the 21.century.
    Vučedol is consecrated place, not just only for Croatia, but for the whole of Europe, which stil has not come cognitively to terms with these undeniable facts of its own history. Not that this can be held against it, for in Croatia to there are surely many who are not aware of the real meaning of Vučedol and Vučedol culture.

    source http://www.scribd.com/doc/40558058/S...ropski-Vladari
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    This is pure speculation, but I have heard it argued on some forums that the Cucuteni-Trypillians migrated to the Near East (via Anatolia) after the decline of their culture due to Proto-Indo-European expansion and severe drought or climatic change that killed off their agriculture and then subsequently influenced the development of Sumerian Cuneiform with some kind of script similar to the Vinca-Tordos symbols.

    Interesting to note though is that farming spread to Europe roughly a two millenia before the rise of the many Eastern-European/Balkan neolithic cultures like the Vinca/Cucuteni-Trypillians/Starčevo/Karanovo/Diminit/Linear Pottery; surely it's not beyond the realm of possibility that those Mesopotamian farmers who introduced agriculture into Europe via Anatolia might have maintained contact/trade with their ancestral homelands?

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    Arheologist have found 5 different type of shoes on Vucedol archeological syte and center of a cheefdom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gospodine View Post
    This is pure speculation, but I have heard it argued on some forums that the Cucuteni-Trypillians migrated to the Near East (via Anatolia) after the decline of their culture due to Proto-Indo-European expansion and severe drought or climatic change that killed off their agriculture and then subsequently influenced the development of Sumerian Cuneiform with some kind of script similar to the Vinca-Tordos symbols.

    Interesting to note though is that farming spread to Europe roughly a two millenia before the rise of the many Eastern-European/Balkan neolithic cultures like the Vinca/Cucuteni-Trypillians/Starčevo/Karanovo/Diminit/Linear Pottery; surely it's not beyond the realm of possibility that those Mesopotamian farmers who introduced agriculture into Europe via Anatolia might have maintained contact/trade with their ancestral homelands?
    I guess lingual/morphological proofs might help about the Sumerian-Vinca connection.

    Take a look at those charts:









    By the way, the Uralic(as well as Turkic) connection theory of Sumerians seems solid:

    From Simo Parpola:

    http://users.cwnet.com/millenia/Sumerian-Parpola.htm

    34 years ago, Miguel Civil in his article "From Enki's headache to phonology" showed that late Sumerian ugu, "top of the head," is the same word as earlier a-g�; and from the alternation of a-g� with the divine name dab-�, he concluded that it probably originally contained a labiovelar stop in the middle (Fig. 6). Recently, Joan Westenholz and Marcel Sigrist have shown that beside "top of the head," ugu also means "brain." { Hungarian agy=brain} �Both formally and semantically, the Sumerian word thus matches the Uralic word *ajkwo "brain, top of the head," which can be reconstructed as containing a labiovelar stop in the middle based on its reflexes in individual Uralic languages. Remarkably, Sumerian ugu4 "to give birth," a homophone of ugu, likewise has a close counterpart in Finnic aiko-, aivo-, "to intend; to give birth." The semantics of the Finnic word show that it derives from the word for "brain," and the alternation of /k/ and /v/ in the stem confirms the reconstruction of the labiovelar in the middle of the word.

    Several other words discussed by Civil also display an alternation of /g/ and /b/, including gurux or buru4 "crow," and gur(u)21 "shield," also attested as kuru14, e-bu-�r and �b-ba-ru (Fig. 7). These two words certainly were almost homophonous, since they could be written with the same logogram. The common Uralic word for "crow," *kwar�ks, indeed contains the posited labiovelar stop and provides a perfect etymology for the Sumerian word. The original labiovelar is preserved in Selkup, but has been replaced by /v/ in other Uralic languages except Sayan Samoyed, where it is appears as /b/. Sumerian gur(u)21 "shield" can be compared with Finnic varus "protection," whose original form can be reconstructed as *kwaruks and thus provides a perfect etymology for the Sumerian word. ��{?Hungarian �v=to protect from harm, v�r=a fort}

    The regular replacement of the labiovelar by /g/, /k/ or /b/ in Sumerian and by /v/ in Uralic amounts to a phonological rule and helps establish further connections between Sumerian and Uralic words displaying a similar correlation, for example Sumerian g�d "to pull" and Uralic *vet�- "to pull," {Hungarian huz t>z} and Sumerian kur "mountain" and Uralic *vor "mountain." {also common as kur in many FU languages} �The reconstruction of an original labiovelar in the latter case is strongly supported by Volgaic kurok, "mountain." The phonological correspondences between Sumerian and Uralic remain to be fully charted, but a great many of them certainly are perfectly regular. For example, in word initial position Sumerian /�/ regularly corresponds to Finnic /h/, while Sumerian /s/ regularly corresponds to Finnic /s/ (Fig. . �{In Hungarian its often s, ch, sh }

    The word a-g� just discussed was written syllabically with two cuneiform signs, A and KA, both of which have several phonetic values and meanings based on homophony and idea association (Fig. 9). All these phonetic values and meanings have close counterparts in Uralic, and the homophonic and semantic associations between the individual meanings work in Uralic, too; compare the homophony between a, aj "water" and aj, aja "father" in Sumerian, and j��, j�j and �j, �ij� in Uralic. And this applies not only to the signs A and KA but, unbelievable as it may sound, practically the whole Sumerian syllabary. Consider, for example, the sign AN (Fig. 10), whose basic meaning, "heaven, highest god," was in Old Sumerian homophonous with the third person singular of the verb "to be," am6. The Uralic word for "heaven" and "highest god" was *joma, which likewise was virtually homophonous with the third person singular of the verb "to be," *oma. These two words would have become totally homophonous in Sumerian after the loss of the initial /j/. The loss of the initial /j/ also provided the homophony between Sumerian a "water" and aj "father" just mentioned.

    Such a close and systematic parallelism in form and meaning is possible only in languages related to each other. Accordingly, the logical conclusion is that Sumerian is a Uralic language. This conclusion is backed up by the great number of common words and the regularity of the phonological correspondences between Sumerian and Uralic already discussed, as well as by many other considerations. Sumerian displays the basic typological features of Uralic; it has vowel harmony, no grammatical gender but an opposition between animate and inanimate, and its grammatical system is clearly Uralic, with similar pronouns, case markers, and personal endings of the verb. In addition, many Uralic derivational morphemes can be identified in Sumerian nouns and verbs. The non-Uralic features of Sumerian, such as the ergative construction and the prefix chains of the verb, can be explained as special developments of Sumerian in an entirely new linguistic environment after its separation from the other Uralic languages.

    The Sumerians thus came to Mesopotamia from the north, where the Uralic language family is located (Fig. 11), and by studying the lexical evidence and the grammatical features which Sumerian shares with individual Uralic languages, it is possible to make additional inferences about their origins. The closest affinities of Sumerian within the Uralic family are with the Volgaic and Finnic languages, particularly the latter, with which it shares a number of significant phonological, morphological and lexical isoglosses. The latter include, among other things, a common word for "sea, ocean" (Sumerian ab or a-ab-ba, Finnic aava, aappa), and common words for cereals, sowing and harvesting, domestic animals, wheeled vehicles, and the harness of draught animals (Fig. 12). A number of these words also have counterparts in Indo-European, particularly Germanic languages. These data taken together suggest that the Sumerians originated in the Pontic-Caspian region between the mouth of the Volga and the Black Sea, north of the Caucasus Mountains, where they had been living a sedentary life in contact with Indo-European tribes. I would not exclude the possibility that their homeland is to be identified with the Majkop culture of the North Caucasus, which flourished between 3700 and 2900 BC and had trade contacts with the late Uruk culture (Fig. 13). Placing the Sumerian homeland in this area would help explain the non-Uralic features of Sumerian, for the Kartvelian languages spoken just south of it are ergative and have a system of verbal prefixes resembling the Sumerian one. The Sumerian words for wheel and the harness of draft animals that it shares with Uralic show that its separation from Uralic took place after the invention of wheeled vehicles, which were known in the Majkop culture since about 3500 BC.

    About 3500 BC, the Indo-European Yamnaya culture that had emerged between the Danube and the Don began to expand dynamically to the east, reaching the Caucasian foreland by about 3300 BC. This expansion is likely to have triggered the Sumerian migration to Mesopotamia. It would have proceeded through the Caucasus and the Diyala Valley, and since wheeled transport was available, could easily have been completed before the end of the Late Uruk period (c. 3100 BC). The arrival of the Sumerians would thus coincide with the destruction of the Eanna temple precinct at the end of the Uruk IVa period.

    The lexical parallels between Sumerian and Uralic thus open up not only completely new possibilities for the study of Sumerian, but also a chance to identify the original homeland of the Sumerians and date their arrival in Mesopotamia. In addition, they provide a medium through which it becomes possible to penetrate into the prehistory of the Finno-Ugric peoples with the help of very ancient linguistic data. Of course, it is clear that the relevant evidence must first pass the test of verification or falsification before any part of it can be generally accepted and exploited.

    I am currently preparing an Internet version of the database in collaboration with the Department of General Linguistics of the University of Helsinki. This web version is planned to be interactive and will contain a search engine and a program to check the regularity of the sound changes involved in the comparisons. I heartily invite all sceptics to visit the site once it is ready and falsify as many of the comparisons as they can, and everybody else to look at the evidence, check it out, and contribute to it by constructive criticism and new data.
    The Sumerian-Vinca-Uralic-Turkic connection theory sounds reasonable.
    Quote Originally Posted by Yabgu View Post
    There is no ethnicity called "Anatolian", and no such thing as "Anatolian Greek genes" or "Armenoid genes".. It is a political rhetoric to cause identity erosion.. Eastern Huns are considered to be the ancestors of modern day Turks and they were a hybrid of Asiatic and Caucasian, but more dominantly Caucasian.. Hun was not an ethnicity itself, but a large tribal confederative structure.. That is why Turks already had a rich genetic pool before the full conquest of Anatolia region..

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    TAJNA JEDNOG GROBA
    Muškarac i sedam žena žrtvovani zbog znaka na nebu

    Stari je Vučedolac pozorno pratio zbivanja na nebu i viđeno bilježio na keramici, a zanimljivost je i da su već tada prepoznavali Veneru kao ženski planet. Arheolozi to tisućljećima kasnije “iščitavaju” na keramici iz toga doba. “U jednom času, čak su i osam ljudi žrtvovali zbog dramatičnih znakova koje su vidjeli na nebu, a što se može danas vrlo precizno datirati, pa bi to mogao biti i najprecizniji datum u svjetskoj prapovijesti. I ta priča bit će, u nadolazećem vremenu, na Vučedolu ispričana”, govori Durman i dodaje da je navedeni grob, u kojem su bili jedan muškarac i sedam žena, otkopan 1985. godine. I, priznaje, dugo ga je mučila tajna toga groba u kojem su bila i čak 153 kilograma keramike, među kojom i jedna unikatna posuda jer je bila s - nesimetričnim ukrasima. Ne odajući sve detalje, spomenuo je i da su pokopani u tome grobu bili za života inicirani usijanim kapljama metala na lubanji...

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