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    Default Bernie Sanders: American socialist

    Very interesting ... what do you Americans think of this man? I don't know much about him yet, but I'm quite curious to know more.

    From what I gather he is someone who cares about ordinary people, instead of the super-rich. Sounds refreshingly different for American politics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minesweeper View Post
    Something that should be interesting for you, he supports further confrontation with Putin. His foreign policy would probably be a continuation of Obama's.
    Just another idiot clone then ... how disappointing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minesweeper View Post
    Continental European weed in Anglo-American garden. He is pro-choice, supports gay marriage, gun control, police reform because of its brutality. He allowed Black lifes matter activists to take his microphone from him during his speech and talk instead of him which means he is weak when it comes to social questions. Trump makes fun of him because of that for a reason.

    Something that should be interesting for you, he supports further confrontation with Putin. His foreign policy would probably be a continuation of Obama's.

    I think he would be a very bad choice for Murica. There should be no place for Scandinavian Social-Democracy across the Atlantic, it's not what made America powerful but it is something that could potentially cost it a huge deal of power.
    He lacks assertiveness. In his mission to appeal to the more "severely disenfranchised", his over-zealousness to appease them makes him look too weak, which is not a good image nor something desirable for a world leader with significant power who essentially needs assertiveness when dealing with other states.

    It's not a matter of being aggressive - it's not aggressive to take your own designated time for your own speeches and platform, like I said, it's assertive. A lot of people give him a pass for that and say it's 'progressive' but it really isn't. He's given people a lot of time and their own spaces to make speeches or say their piece on things. Letting a rag-tag group yell shit at you, then all of your supporters, isn't good even if it hypothetically rallies people to his cause because it exposes (in my opinion) some of his weaknesses. There's a scale that I like to live my life by and use as a judging metric for politicians. You don't want to be passive - like Bernie was in that situation. Nor would you want to be aggressive and alienate possible new voters and supporters by screaming obscenities. In the middle is a harmonious option, which is asserting your own right to your soapbox. The speakers could easily have been given time at the end, or possibly speak for a small time in another speech, instead they essentially shut his whole thing down, just by climbing up with a microphone. It's bad. Most people may not be as aware to actualize it exactly what I'm saying, but most get that 'gut feeling' from things like that, that say "I don't really know about that, he shouldn't have let them do that."

    He's fairly run of them mill as far as european politicians go. Radical for the U.S.A, but not for other parts of the world. He isn't saying anything particularly new, either, and although he has had a decent run so far in racking up points against Hilary he is still shaky when it comes to attracting the broad appeal to average americans needed. But we will see. It is far too early to make any sort of assumptions right now, people did the same thing in 2007 and if you had told them the outcome of the elections and who actually got each nomination they would have laughed in your face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minesweeper View Post
    Continental European weed in Anglo-American garden. He is pro-choice, supports gay marriage, gun control, police reform because of its brutality. He allowed Black lifes matter activists to take his microphone from him during his speech and talk instead of him which means he is weak when it comes to social questions. Trump makes fun of him because of that for a reason.

    Something that should be interesting for you, he supports further confrontation with Putin. His foreign policy would probably be a continuation of Obama's.

    I think he would be a very bad choice for Murica. There should be no place for Scandinavian Social-Democracy across the Atlantic, it's not what made America powerful but it is something that could potentially cost it a huge deal of power.
    Bruh, when you don't know the extent of police brutality in America don't list it as something bad that he thinks it should be reformed. And no he does not believe in gun control (though background checks so that mentally ill people don't get guns he does approve of). He was after all for a number of years the senator and mayor of a state that 90% of the people own guns.

    Though you are focusing on issues that are of little importance. How about you focus on the issues that matter?
    Bernie Sanders is the only candidate willing to do anything about climate change.
    The only candidate to break up too big to fail banks.
    The only candidate willing to do anything about the income inequality that has plagued America for 3 decades now. Other candidates barely even SPEAK about it.
    The only candidate with any solid plan to bring people back to work. (inclduing a 1 trillion investment in the collapsing infrastructure)
    The only candidate (besides Rand Paul to an extent) that has spoken against the mass surveillance of the American people.
    The only candidate that is anti war (voted against Iraq war, voted against intervention in Libya etc etc)
    The only candidate that wants to make unions stronger.
    The only candidate that believes in taxing corporations at the same rate that ordinary people are taxed (they pay many times less in taxes).
    The only candidate that wants to regulate wall street (because of lack of regulation and speculation that the 2008 crash happened)
    The only candidate that wants to overturn citizens united that pretty much allows big money interests to BUY CANDIDATES. (allowing big money interests to donate hundreds of millions to candidates).
    The only candidate that has a solid plan on dealing with the student debt issue which is almost 1 TRILLION dollars as a result of education becoming more about profit than actually teaching the students.

    As for why he let them take over, the obvious reason is because then the media would have reported it as an aggressive decision. As you can see from the policies above, he is not liked by the media (90% of the media in the U.S is owned by 6 corporations, so they would try to get as much dirt on Bernie as much as possible and this "aggressive action" against people "fighting for the right cause" would be the end of him).

    Wrong again. His foreign policy is nothing like Obama's

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Just another idiot clone then ... how disappointing.
    Lulz. This is why it helps to do some research on the candidate and not depend on other people to explain it to you. No he is not another "idiot clone" he is a Jeremy Corbyn 2.0 (an improved Jeremy Corbyn). Refer to my previous comment to learn a bit about him, though obviously that's not enough and again you should do more research on this candidate.

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    Depends on who you are but if you are white he is really a bad choice..... I dont know if Trump will safe white america, i doubt it America needs a Democratic Hitler though i mean not fascism as this is not the spirit of america, but someone with similar racial and social views but who is still loyal to the constitution not a NS
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    Quote Originally Posted by alb0zfinest View Post

    Wrong again. His foreign policy is nothing like Obama's
    He's been ambivalent on purpose, but judging from this, not very different from Obama (or the Democrats in general):

    As for the alleged left-wing challenger in the Democratic ring, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont), the fact that months after launching his presidential bid he still hasn’t put up a single foreign policy statement on his web site speaks volumes. Martha Raddatz, interviewing Sanders on ABC’s “This Week,” noted that odd omission:

    “[T]here are two issues that are entirely missing from your campaign website, and those are issues of national security and foreign policy. Don’t you feel these are issues that a president should be very concerned about?”

    “SANDERS: Absolutely, Martha. And we will – you know, in all fairness, we’ve only been in this race for three and a half months. And we’ve been focusing, quite correctly, as you’ve indicated, on the economy, on the collapse of the American middle class, on massive income and wealth inequality. But you’re absolutely right, foreign policy is a huge issue. Let me just say a word or two about that. And we are going to spend more time on that.”

    A word, or two, is about all he has spent on the subject since announcing his candidacy, and so Raddatz spends most of the interview asking him about it. Specifically, she asks him to define the conditions under which he would authorize the use of military force. Bernie responds with a desultory “Yeah, there are times when you have to use force, no question about it.” He then goes on to describe his votes against both Gulf wars, and his vote to authorize the US invasion of Afghanistan in response to the 9/11 attacks.

    Raddatz comes back at him with:

    “And is that only when we’re attacked? Is that only when we’re attacked? Because if you look at your record, you supported the invasion into Afghanistan after we were attacked. Is that the only time you would support it?”

    “SANDERS: No, not at all.”

    Here Sanders admits that he’s not necessarily opposed to launching a war of aggression, i.e., a conflict in which the United States and its allies attack a nation that has not attacked us and may not even represent a credible threat. Moreover, he fails to enunciate any principles that would govern his behavior on this vital question. So with Bernie in the White House we’re getting a surprise package when it comes to the question of war and peace.

    Yet a war launched by this avowed socialist wouldn’t actually be much of a surprise at all. In her interview with Sanders, Raddatz wonders if Russia and China would take him seriously if they decided to ally and launch some unspecified aggression, and Sanders replies:

    “Well, I think they would be making a very, very big mistake. I believe that the United States should have the strongest military in the world. We should be working with other countries in coalition. And when people threaten the United States or threaten our allies or commit genocide, the United States with other countries should be prepared to act militarily.”

    So here we have at least some criteria that would provoke President Bernie into going to war – and they are not much different from those that previous US presidents have invoked to justify US military action. A “threat,” after all, can be interpreted in many ways: remember when Nikita Khrushchev declared “We will bury you!” That sure sounded like a threat at the time. Would Bernie have launched World War III on account of it? Well, probably not: but you see the trouble here – the sheer vagueness of the “threat” criterion makes it infinitely elastic. This “threat” business also includes our allies – but which allies? Israel? Ukraine? Egypt?

    And then there’s the “genocide” provision of the Bernie Doctrine. Which means that any time our hopped-up pro-war media proclaim that a “genocide” is ‘imminent,” as it supposedly was (but really wasn’t) in Libya, then it’s time to send in the Marines.
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    Edit: Also wanted to add your line about Sanders being an "improved" Corbyn; the latter at least has said he wants to move the UK towards a more non-interventionist foreign policy, so Bernie's no improvement on him there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tacitus View Post
    He's been ambivalent on purpose, but judging from this, not very different from Obama (or the Democrats in general):



    http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2...e-test-of-war/
    No he has not been ambivalent actually. If you would just take some time and actually research the issue instead of copy and paste useless crap that would be great.
    He is not like the Democrats or the Republicans for that matter who have no problem on going to war. As I previously mentioned he voted against the war in Iraq, the war in Libya, the war in Syria. (He supports now getting involved to an extent in Syria with other allies not alone and against ISIL, but this is important not against Assad.)
    He believes in a two state solution in regards to the Israel- Palestine issue and has criticized the Israeli P.M many times. This is considering that not one U.S politicians is willing to criticize Israel let alone dare to support a 2 state solution. He voted for the Iran deal and agreed with Obama on establishing ties with Cuba.

    Yes he did vote for the war in Afghanistan, though that was because there was a clear objective and reason to. He has called though for many years now to get U.S troops from Afghanistan, when he saw the intervention was not effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alb0zfinest View Post
    Lulz. This is why it helps to do some research on the candidate and not depend on other people to explain it to you. No he is not another "idiot clone" he is a Jeremy Corbyn 2.0 (an improved Jeremy Corbyn). Refer to my previous comment to learn a bit about him, though obviously that's not enough and again you should do more research on this candidate.
    A rather condescending comment, especially since I opened this thread for the very reason to learn more about him.

    So, you disagree with Minesweeper that he is also anti-Putin? Or don't we know that detail?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    A rather condescending comment, especially since I opened this thread for the very reason to learn more about him.

    So, you disagree with Minesweeper that he is also anti-Putin? Or don't we know that detail?
    I supposed you meant by that, posting some interviews or articles on him rather than people telling you directly.

    I am not sure about his stance on Putin. He did support the sanctions on Russia once Russia invaded Crimea but he has continuously said war should be avoided at all costs (whereas your average U.S politician does not take war off the table.)

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