Bernie Sanders: American socialist

[curupira]

From 30:00 to 34:00 in the video below, Michael Savage imitates him (he does it later on in that same show too, quite funny; 1:02:00 to 1:04:00, f.e):

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Well, I don't really care about American politics, I know I don't like Sanders, though. He's creepy.

[LightHouse89]

Continental European weed in Anglo-American garden. He is pro-choice, supports gay marriage, gun control, police reform because of its brutality. He allowed Black lifes matter activists to take his microphone from him during his speech and talk instead of him which means he is weak when it comes to social questions. Trump makes fun of him because of that for a reason.

Something that should be interesting for you, he supports further confrontation with Putin. His foreign policy would probably be a continuation of Obama's.

I think he would be a very bad choice for Murica. There should be no place for Scandinavian Social-Democracy across the Atlantic, it's not what made America powerful but it is something that could potentially cost it a huge deal of power.

Say no more Don't get me started hahaha.

[LightHouse89]

Well, I don't really care about American politics, I know I don't like Sanders, though. He's creepy.

Since the time I left how many times since then have you changed your mind?

[LightHouse89]

Still better than Clinton I'd imagine.

Not sure if America would would want a proper lefty though. It's not their style.

America is fucked ether way. What was left of our industry was sold to China in the NAFTA deal or whatever it was.

Liberals and Conservatives suck. A socialist would be no different. Long have the days been since we had a Theodore Roosevelt, mostly white country [WASP] etc.... those days are long gone.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Since the time I left how many times since then have you changed your mind?

What do you mean? I never liked Bernie Sanders and I never cared about American politics, really. I've been Right-wing for awhile now. Right-wing doesn't mean caring about American politics, though. You don't care either, do you? You said Europe is worth saving but the U.S. is not, and I am echoing your sentiments. Let Bernie destroy the U.S. I only care about Europe.

[alb0zfinest]

This seems an awful lot like you being in denial about it. Among all the traits and characteristics a leader (which is what he is campaigning for) should have, there is one that must never be compromised and that is his ability to be assertive, to stand up for himself and those behind him when other people try to undermine him and what he represents.

It's very simple, he is unfit for the job. I am sure he is a pretty sharp guy, but such people are best utilized in working behind the scenes rather than being the primary figurehead. In that position, lowering your head and meditating on the ignorance and hostility of people does nothing other than make you out to be a fool, you have to get in and fight them.

There is more than one way to lead. In this case, he let them have their way and make a fool of themselves and in the end he got the support of the people. I don't think this makes him particularly weak because anyone can just kick people out. I think we are so used to seeing something done a specific way that when anyone does otherwise its automatically something negative.

As for him dealing with bigger bullshitters, I think the case is very different. The fact that he does not want to get into a shouting match with some dumb broads doesn't mean his negotiating skills are bad. He has been in government now for over 30 years and he's had to deal with the biggest bullshitters of them all (bought republic corporate minions lobbying for big money interests).
Everyone was saying something similar when it came to Obama dealing with Putin. Everyone criticized Obama for "being weak" bla bla bla. In the end over time Russia is loosing more in this than the United States.

The time of brute force is over. There are more effective strategies that may not seem right in the moment, but pay off 10 times more in the long run.

[Tana]

I think he is a bit too old to run for President (he is in his late 70s) but I agree with most of his ideas, in particularly on some social issues.

[alb0zfinest]

Agree Bernie Sanders is weak and whimpy. He can't win the South or win non-white voters.

Wrong. He can win quite a number of voters in the south, as for non-white voters its not even a debatable issue. Once black and latino voters know who Bernie Sanders is and see what he stands for, majority of latinos and black Americans will be supporting him. Especially because he focuses on issues like high minority unemployment rate, criticizes mass incarceration of minorities, and denounces police brutality, he is pro pathway to citizenship etc etc These issue other candidates including Hillary aren't even willing to talk about. But again the problem for the moment is that most people have no clue who Bernie Sanders is and what he stands for. In fact speaking of black supporters, Cornel West one of the biggest black activists/intellectuals just gave a speech at a majority black university supporting Bernie Sanders saying he continued the vision of Martin Luther King JR. That praise is probably the most he has ever given anyone. And keeping in mind this is a guy that is highly critical of Barack Obama.

Southern voters are a bit trickier. They are in general less educated (sorry but statistically true) and as soon as they hear the corporate media calling Sanders a socialist (even though he isn't one) they think hurr durr communism, hes going to take all our money bla bla bla. What Bernie could do is mention that he was senator of a very conservative state (Vermont, and indeed it is quite conservative), yet despite this alot of legislation was passed and he continued to be reelected which showed that despite his differing views he did enough for the State of Vermont and got over the barriers to get stuff done. But in any case, even in the south he has been getting crowds 5-6 times bigger than the rest of the candidates. Bernie Sanders is also more pro gun than all of the Democrats which could be appealing to quite a number of Southern voters.

[RMuller]

Wrong. He can win quite a number of voters in the south, as for non-white voters its not even a debatable issue. Once black and latino voters know who Bernie Sanders is and see what he stands for, majority of latinos and black Americans will be supporting him. Especially because he focuses on issues like high minority unemployment rate, criticizes mass incarceration of minorities, and denounces police brutality, he is pro pathway to citizenship etc etc These issue other candidates including Hillary aren't even willing to talk about. But again the problem for the moment is that most people have no clue who Bernie Sanders is and what he stands for. In fact speaking of black supporters, Cornel West one of the biggest black activists/intellectuals just gave a speech at a majority black university supporting Bernie Sanders saying he continued the vision of Martin Luther King JR. That praise is probably the most he has ever given anyone. And keeping in mind this is a guy that is highly critical of Barack Obama.

Southern voters are a bit trickier. They are in general less educated (sorry but statistically true) and as soon as they hear the corporate media calling Sanders a socialist (even though he isn't one) they think hurr durr communism, hes going to take all our money bla bla bla. What Bernie could do is mention that he was senator of a very conservative state (Vermont, and indeed it is quite conservative), yet despite this alot of legislation was passed and he continued to be reelected which showed that despite his differing views he did enough for the State of Vermont and got over the barriers to get stuff done. But in any case, even in the south he has been getting crowds 5-6 times bigger than the rest of the candidates. Bernie Sanders is also more pro gun than all of the Democrats which could be appealing to quite a number of Southern voters.

Bernie Sanders might win 10% of the delegates in the Southern states. Some of his ideas might be ok. Vermont is a liberal state. To elect Bernie Sanders to congress then for Vermont senator means the state leans left.
Bernie Sanders is a whimp. He let the black lives matter crowd to take over his event rally in Seattle.
He isn't even a registered Democrat. How is he going to win Democrats over?