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Yamnaya
What race were these people?
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They looked absolutely nothing like these fake ass reconstructions from Russia:
As you can see they made the noses about 20x longer and narrower than they really were, made the mouth about twenty times less prognqthic than it really was, and even gave them a modern snot-nosed visage, one that is very "Judaeo-Bolshevik" or "CommuPope" looking.
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Phenotypes related to both Estonians (about half of Yamnaya ancestry comes from EHGs with slight native american) and Circassians/Georgians (the caucasus/west asian/"hindu kush" ancestry that is slightly less than half of Yamnaya, and also has ANE)
Less balticized and less gracilized than those modern populations, though.
I'd say reconstructions probabily got it right:
Not nordid, as nordid probabily only appeared when this type mixed with WHG+EEF people from Scandinavia, and selection for more harminious traits occured.
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Dark eyed, dark haired Pontids.
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The Guanche skulls as a whole are unlike those of modern European Mediterraneans, and resemble northern European series most closely, especially those in which a brachycephalic element is present, as in Burgundian and Alemanni series.divided them into clearly differentiated types, which include a Mediterranean, a Nordic, a "Guanche," and an Alpine. The "Guanche" accounts for 50 per cent of the whole on the four islands of Teneriffe, Gomera, Gran Canaria, and Hierro; the Nordic for 31 per cent, the Mediterranean for 13 per cent, and the Alpineoldschool anthropology
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Dienekes has uploaded some stuff.
Anthropological types of Corded Ware and Yamna cultures
Now if you take Corded as a proxy, here are some stuff by Coon.The Yamna culture of the Pontic-Caspian steppe is recorded for an enormous territory between the North-Western Pontic area and Trans-Uralia. Its sites are known here in the basin of the Emba and Tobol rivers, the Karaganda region and further eastward (Merpert 1974). The Yamna population generally belongs to the European race. It was tall (175.5cm), dolichocephalic, with broad faces of medium height. Among them there were, however, more robust elements with high and wide faces of the proto-Europoid type, and also more gracile individuals with narrow and high faces, probably reflecting contacts with the East Mediterranean type (Kurts 1984: 90).
Here are some reconstructions from Fatyanovo–Balanovo,Russia/Eastern Corded.
Also, some Mycenaean reconstructions (theorized proto-Greek shaft grave culture).
For Angel, he finds a relative rise of his Nordic-Iranian composite type in middle Helladic in Greece and 38% in the above specimen.
But these are Angel's composite types that can cover a wide range of "phenotypes". You can find some relevant info here.
Here are some sketches of the composite types.
Notice the high-skull and the orbits compared to basic-white (hypothetically you can take it as a closer proxy for "cromagnons" albeit I doubt things are that absolute, Angel's classifications neither are).
From genetics, they seem to be rather brunette.
To me, some structures like these come to mind.
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None or those skulls would fit inside the faces of the people you posted. These were a broad and short faced people with far lower nasal height than any of the people in those photos.
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That's how Corded Ware looked(not sure why you have the random Afghan guy there). North Pontids or Nordids. Corded Ware isn't Yamnaya and they're seperated quite some time and distance. Yamnaya were found to be majority dark eyed/dark haired.Originally Posted by Prometheus Katsaplias
Dienekes has uploaded some stuff.
Anthropological types of Corded Ware and Yamna cultures
Now if you take Corded as a proxy, here are some stuff by Coon.
Here are some reconstructions from Fatyanovo–Balanovo,Russia/Eastern Corded.
Also, some Mycenaean reconstructions (theorized proto-Greek shaft grave culture).
For Angel, he finds a relative rise of his Nordic-Iranian composite type in middle Helladic in Greece and 38% in the above specimen.
But these are Angel's composite types that can cover a wide range of "phenotypes". You can find some relevant info here.
Here are some sketches of the composite types.
Notice the high-skull and the orbits compared to basic-white (hypothetically you can take it as a closer proxy for "cromagnons" albeit I doubt things are that absolute, Angel's classifications neither are).
From genetics, they seem to be rather brunette.
To me, some structures like these come to mind.
The Guanche skulls as a whole are unlike those of modern European Mediterraneans, and resemble northern European series most closely, especially those in which a brachycephalic element is present, as in Burgundian and Alemanni series.divided them into clearly differentiated types, which include a Mediterranean, a Nordic, a "Guanche," and an Alpine. The "Guanche" accounts for 50 per cent of the whole on the four islands of Teneriffe, Gomera, Gran Canaria, and Hierro; the Nordic for 31 per cent, the Mediterranean for 13 per cent, and the Alpine
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That's why I provided two sources. First describing Yamnaya possessing medium to high faces and second describing Corded as leptorrhine.
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I think surely they must be describing two different indices. One describes total facial index, the other describes upper facial index (bizygomatic and nasion-prosthion height). Like Cro Magnons, they have high faces when measured from chin to nasion. But the upper face index (or should we say midface index) is lower. They're a squat, thickset faced people.
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This chart gives a good hint where they are cluster(remember it is 2D)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o...d0U/view?pli=1
so you can see the populations closest to them are still NE Euros but it also pulled toward Hindukush/N Pakistan/Pamirs etc etc on the other axis so you can say that any complex combination between these two regions.
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