Genetic Cluster Map of UK Populations

[Neon Knight]

From the People of the British Isles project:




It looks as though the southern Irish are going to be very close to the Welsh, and nearer the South Welsh.

[Gooding]

So, what do the colors mean on the dots??

[Neon Knight]

So, what do the colors mean on the dots??

They match the coloured symbols on the map to the left.

[Grace O'Malley]

From the People of the British Isles project:




It looks as though the southern Irish are going to be very close to the Welsh, and nearer the South Welsh.

What are you basing that on? I've not seen any info released from the Irish DNA Atlas yet. Also when looking at the PoBI previously when they had the Irish samples the Highlands had the highest Irish contribution in their dna. It was about 63% Irish contribution. They had the highest similarity to the Irish of all the UK samples. The next highest with 45% was SW Scotland, then NE Scotland and Orkneys at 36%, then North West Wales at 35%, then Northumbria and Cumbria with 32%.

I don't know whether you are a member at Anthrogenica but information is on this thread there.


http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...highlight=PoBI

[Neon Knight]

What are you basing that on? I've not seen any info released from the Irish DNA Atlas yet. Also when looking at the PoBI previously when they had the Irish samples the Highlands had the highest Irish contribution in their dna. It was about 63% Irish contribution. They had the highest similarity to the Irish of all the UK samples. The next highest with 45% was SW Scotland, then NE Scotland and Orkneys at 36%, then North West Wales at 35%, then Northumbria and Cumbria with 32%.

I don't know whether you are a member at Anthrogenica but information is on this thread there.


http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...highlight=PoBI

I'm basing it on the fact that the main difference between the Welsh and English/Scots is the lack of NE French in the former, and it seems reasonable to assume that less of it will have filtered down into southern Ireland thus making them more like the Welsh (and we can see the South Welsh already over-lapping with the Scots). It's just a game of hair-splitting really, so don't take it negatively.

I'm Caratacus on Anthrogenica but I haven't made many posts yet.

[Not a Cop]

I'm i the only one who can't see Cornish people on this map?

[Petalpusher]

I'm i the only one who can't see Cornish people on this map?

They overlap "under" the Scots and main English i think, unclear because of pink with orange. Something i noticed recently, Cornwall is not more Southern than the east, it's just different, less east med, bit more N.Atlantic but less Baltic, more Breton like as expected i guess

[Grace O'Malley]

I'm basing it on the fact that the main difference between the Welsh and English/Scots is the lack of NE French in the former, and it seems reasonable to assume that less of it will have filtered down into southern Ireland thus making them more like the Welsh (and we can see the South Welsh already over-lapping with the Scots). It's just a game of hair-splitting really, so don't take it negatively.

I'm Caratacus on Anthrogenica but I haven't made many posts yet.

Thanks. So it is only an assumption then. I was surprised because on all autosomal plots the Irish cluster more north of England and they also have higher ANE so I think they will cluster more north. Any plots with Irish I've seen (& I've seen quite a lot) they appear much closer to Scots than any other British population. Even looking at the PoBI hints at closer affinity to Scots.

I was just interested in where you got your information from and will be surprised if they do cluster as you say. I think the North West Irish are very close to Scots even looking at ydna like M222 it shows stronger relations with Ireland and Scotland. It might be possible that areas on the east coast are closer to Wales (that remains to be seen) but I don't think all Irish will cluster with south west Wales.

I know this is a Eurogenes plot but it illustrates what I'm saying. On any dna plot Irish are always more north of English populations and logic would tell me that the Welsh would be closer to South West English so I don't see the Irish clustering there.



Feel free to disagree Neon Knight as I'm quite interested in the topic. I really hope info on the Irish DNA Atlas will be released soon.

[Neon Knight]

Thanks. So it is only an assumption then. I was surprised because on all autosomal plots the Irish cluster more north of England and they also have higher ANE so I think they will cluster more north. Any plots with Irish I've seen (& I've seen quite a lot) they appear much closer to Scots than any other British population. Even looking at the PoBI hints at closer affinity to Scots.

I was just interested in where you got your information from and will be surprised if they do cluster as you say. I think the North West Irish are very close to Scots even looking at ydna like M222 it shows stronger relations with Ireland and Scotland. It might be possible that areas on the east coast are closer to Wales (that remains to be seen) but I don't think all Irish will cluster with south west Wales.

I know this is a Eurogenes plot but it illustrates what I'm saying. On any dna plot Irish are always more north of English populations and logic would tell me that the Welsh would be closer to South West English so I don't see the Irish clustering there.

Feel free to disagree Neon Knight as I'm quite interested in the topic. I really hope info on the Irish DNA Atlas will be released soon.

I wasn't implying the Irish would be more southern. Indeed, it looks like all the 'Celts' are a little more northern than the English. I rotated the cluster chart 90 degrees clockwise to make it correspond with the geography, otherwise the Orkadians would be going off to the west which doesn't seem right.

[Grace O'Malley]

Also I know this is just an individual result but this is my K15 single population and my brothers. There is always that closeness to some Scottish population and this is something I've seen in other Irish people's results.

# Population (source) Distance
1 Irish 3.03
2 West_Scottish 3.18
3 North_Dutch 3.71
4 Danish 3.92
5 Orcadian 4.92
6 Southeast_English 5.05
7 North_German 5.1
8 Southwest_English 6.72
9 Norwegian 7.23
10 West_Norwegian 7.49
11 Swedish 8.02
12 South_Dutch 9.76
13 West_German 10.83
14 North_Swedish 10.95
15 East_German 14.23
16 French 14.47
17 Southwest_Finnish 15.54
18 Austrian 18.1
19 Hungarian 18.79
20 Finnish 18.91

My brothers

# Population (source) Distance
1 Orcadian 2.86
2 West_Scottish 3.29
3 North_Dutch 3.86
4 Danish 3.88
5 Irish 3.94
6 Southeast_English 4.12
7 Southwest_English 4.99
8 North_German 6.29
9 Norwegian 6.64
10 West_Norwegian 6.68
11 Swedish 8.41
12 South_Dutch 8.96
13 West_German 9.41
14 North_Swedish 11.21
15 French 13.25
16 East_German 14.5
17 Southwest_Finnish 16.66
18 Austrian 18.83
19 Hungarian 19.23
20 Finnish 19.85