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    Quote Originally Posted by Polk View Post
    What does this have to do with the American government? There are a lot of liberals who are sensitive about what happens in Syria, not because there is a grand conspiracy. This is plain stupid. They are called Syrians because that's the name of the country they live in. It's because the media have no idea what to make of them.
    I'm pretending that the extremely biased way of throwing words and images has a purpose, which is precisely to emotionally blackmail the European populace whilst refusing to recognize the demographic reality of the influx (most of them aren't Syrians anyway that is why calling them Syrians is stupid..) as well as concealing its economical causes for example. The link with the American government is that it has funded yet again a failed revolution by (among others) sending weapons many of which have ended in the hands of the isis folks.

    Now as for the precise use of words. They are asylum seekers in a war zone, refugees in Turkey, migrants in Greece, legal or illegal immigrants in Germany. Again, I see this as a cheap manipulation. Imho, one should precisely name problems in order to solve them, unless one doesn't want to do that or has a different agenda! I don't think journalists are stupid people, in general.

    There IS a difference, but I'm not sure what specific topic you're talking about here.
    It's closely related the same topic as above. The lack of strong policy on immigration or the voluntarily permissive one, depends on the point of view, is hidden behind some mild and politically correct words. Assimilation is actually a taboo in many countries. The use of the word "integration" is generally preferred because nobody is to disturb the foreigners, nobody is to force them to change their beliefs or way of life, in order to fit ours... One of the most visible side effects is the formation of disgusting ghettos, the lowering of wages, etc.

    It's been answered plenty of times. Bashar al-Assad attempted to suppress the protests to democratize Syria violently and this backfired on him. He started the civil war, and we want to help Syrians be free of the murderous dictator. Eventually, when al-Assad goes, the refugees in Europe will have no excuse to stay and will be forced to go back.
    There is far worse than Assad in the region, yet nobody complains. Some groups of people aren't just made to be democratic. It might sound a bit racist but it could turn out to be true, too.

    We didn't fund the ISIS or other jihadists. Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia did.
    Turkey has indeed its own interests. However, Qatar and Saudi Arabia are just a handful of missiles away from kicking the bucket. They are just puppet regimes supported by Nato/US. If one were concerned about human rights, these 2 countries would be the first to go. But then again, money doesn't smell, does it?

    Erm, you should be writing letters to the government of Turkey to do something about it. They're the ones with open borders policy.
    I'm doing something even better, I'm giving my vote to the people who will do so!

    We can't just carpet bomb Syria. There are civilian considerations, and as such the Muslims would use the excuse of accidental bombing to get revenge.
    I wouldn't know as I'm a civilian but it's still not an argument. There is just no will to end the conflict. There are probably 2 or 3 refineries at most and a limited number of petrol wells to be bombed. But then again, money doesn't smell.

    What socialists are you talking about? We have only one proclaimed socialist in America and he's some Jew out of Vermont. Naturally, none of us want to see Muslims resettled in America or Europe but the currents of politics are such that the liberals get to dictate policy. Men like Viktor Orban are far and few.
    I meant the European ones, I wasn't clear, indeed.

    You didn't point out the contradictions, but outlined some weird conspiracy theories that have no basis in reality.
    You are unfair, because I really did! I pointed out that speaking about the problems and appealing to one's emotions is dishonest and manipulative. On the contrary, talking about the causes of the war, the money flow (the most important bit actually), the roles of each one of the regional actors as well as the global ones in detail is something that very few media outlets do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudel View Post
    Nonsense. There's nothing to cripple, the union doesn't matter to Americans. It's self-crippling.
    But it does! Why is everyone forgetting about TTIP? Or perhaps you see it as the last nail to the European coffin?

    There's far more social link in the US than there is in Western and Central Europe.
    Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I suppose you are referring to personal initiatives or NGOs/local associations. Is it possible to quantify this kind of stuff..? But anyway, when it comes to the official policy, I see the social security system as a social contract (based on trust and a few laws) between the people and their state. Add too many leeches to the system and it's going to break.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post


    Which one? The Sunni or Shia one? They hate and kill each other by blowing up people in their mosques while they are praying. Doesn't sound too good, does it? Submitting to Allah, it seems, will only bring more problems?
    Sunni is where its at. That's the cool trendy religion

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