My impression of the Greek phenotypes at my local Greek festival,

[Tauromachos]

Just lol. It was formed around 2600 B.C. according to yFull tree.
And all Greek R1a has common ancestors with Slavic R1a within last 1400 years or less. So stop pretending that there is some "native Balkan R1a", because it is widely known that there isn't.

If it has just common ancestors with Slavic R1a it doesn't mean it was brought to Greeks by Slavs who came in the medieval time.

[Dimitri159]

If it has just common ancestors with Slavic R1a it doesn't mean it was brought to Greeks by Slavs who came in the medieval time.

You’re right. Probably came from the Eurasian Steppe people that migrated around Europe way before any Slavic identity.

[Tauromachos]

You’re right. Probably came from the Eurasian Steppe people that migrated around Europe way before any Slavic identity.

Scythian/Yamnaya

[Renekton]

which I went to a month ago. I posted about this and then the forum crashed.

There were 3 main phenotypes I noticed:

a) Slavic-Mediterranean types that tended to be dark and robust, but features looked distinct to the Balkan region due to the mixture of Slavic and Mediterranean. A lot of the men looked like Stanislav Ianevski who is Bulgarian... round faces, flat back of head, broad shouldered, and tall. Roughly half of the people looked like this. My own facial features are like this, but I do not have the same body build as they did at all.

b) People who looked Italian, but not necessarily Sicilian. Think of people like Nancy Pelosi. Types like this looked generally "Greco-Roman" and were mostly found amongst the people I knew to be Peloponnesian or from the islands. Some of the people did look Sicilian, heading toward Levantine but these were a small minority. With that said, I did see at least one lookalike for every one of my paternal relatives, some of them very close and could be taken for the same person.

c) A distinctive "Greek" look that cannot pass anywhere else. I cannot explain it, but you'd know it when you see it. Not many people actually had this look, but it was very distinct and could not be mistaken for anything else and tended to be more common in the men.

People who looked wholesale Middle Eastern were very rare (and one of them turned out to be a Coptic Egyptian whose son married a Greek woman), and only a handful looked actually passable in Russia or Ukraine.

Also, the people with Pontic surnames did not look exotic nor Armenian-like at all, rather they tended to look almost like Chechens and somewhat Armenoid-admixed Slavs.

Correct

[Renekton]

Bulgarian.

Anyway I think a good way of summarizing it is that Greeks are diverse and fill the genetic and phenotypical gap between South Slavs and Sicilians/Maltese/Cypriots.

As for South Slavs(genetically and phenotypes) North and Central Greeks, Peloponnesse is intermediate and Islanders are Malta or Sicily

[Tauromachos]

No Slavic group even South Slavs does look like any type of Greeks,as a crowd

Also lol at quoting a poster who is not active anymore(banned)

[catgeorge]

No Slavic group even South Slavs does look like any type of Greeks,as a crowd

Also lol at quoting a poster who is not active anymore(banned)

You are ignorant.... South Skopjia is a 60 Greek/40% Slavic Mix that have been indoctrinated as Slavs.

They look like typical Balkan people as do many Greeks.

[Tauromachos]

You are ignorant.... South Skopjia is a 60 Greek/40% Slavic Mix that have been indoctrinated as Slavs.

They look like typical Balkan people as do many Greeks.

Greeks look Greek

Some Balkanians look Greek as well

All South Slavic groups as a whole look distinguishable from Greeks

[catgeorge]

Greeks look Greek

Some Balkanians look Greek as well

All South Slavic groups as a whole look distinguishable from Greeks

You idiot.

[Tauromachos]

You idiot.

You are the idiot but in fact you are not since you are Albanian,South Slav descended your ancestors probably Komitatzides it makes sense that you promote the idea of Greeks and Balkanians being the same people and want to push the South Slavization of Greece