My impression of the Greek phenotypes at my local Greek festival,

[Freeroostah]

You do. But I think that look is in part influenced by Slavs, and it shows in the facial structure.

This is the best example I can think of.. you are somewhat similar to him too.

I agree especially in the eye area and facial shape. Is he Greek or Balkan?

[catgeorge]

Thats Pontid not Slav -- Slav is a language. Let's be serious here.

[Sikeliot]

I agree especially in the eye area and facial shape. Is he Greek or Balkan?

Bulgarian.

Anyway I think a good way of summarizing it is that Greeks are diverse and fill the genetic and phenotypical gap between South Slavs and Sicilians/Maltese/Cypriots.

[xantiphos]

my impression living in Greece

50% of Greeks look typical Southern European

rest 50% look like a mix of Southern European types with balkanic types, with a very very small percentage of them pure balkanic.

Being a Chilean of Greek parents, I have the Southern European Mediterranean look. Some insist that I look Spanish rather than Greek, but anyway.

Now I have to make clear that i am talking about pure, native, Greeks, not Greek citizens. 10% of Greek citizens have balkan BG, and a 5% have caucasian.

Being a Chilean of Greek parents, I have the South European Mediterranean look. Some insist that I look Spanish rather than Greek, but anyway.

[Myanthropologies]

I've seen my fair share of Greeks from Baltimore as well, and I agree that a lot look Balkan, but I would not say that half of them do. Also I think the "Greek" look is the most common. In addition, I think you are underestimating the amount of Greeks who look Middle Eastern. Sure they are a minority, but they are not "rare" either, especially among pontics.

[Myanthropologies]

Bulgarian.

Anyway I think a good way of summarizing it is that Greeks are diverse and fill the genetic and phenotypical gap between South Slavs and Sicilians/Maltese/Cypriots.

That's certainly a better way of putting it.

[Sikeliot]

I've seen my fair share of Greeks from Baltimore as well, and I agree that a lot look Balkan, but I would not say that half of them do. Also I think the "Greek" look is the most common. In addition, I think you are underestimating the amount of Greeks who look Middle Eastern. Sure they are a minority, but they are not "rare" either, especially among pontics.

Greek Middle Eastern looks are different than those of Sicilians and Jews. Pontics for instance look Iranic, or similar to Armenians.

Who is an example of a "Greek" look to you?

[wvwvw]

Greek Middle Eastern looks are different than those of Sicilians and Jews. Pontics for instance look Iranic, or similar to Armenians.

Who is an example of a "Greek" look to you?

Pontic Greeks do not look even remotedly Iranic or Armenian. Unlike you I live in Greece and see them all the time. Now don't show me some 1/8 "Pontic Greek" refugee from Armenia or Georgia who came to Greece in the 90s and all of the sudden you've discovered pontic Greeks look that.

[Myanthropologies]

Greek Middle Eastern looks are different than those of Sicilians and Jews. Pontics for instance look Iranic, or similar to Armenians.

Who is an example of a "Greek" look to you?

From my experience the average Greek looks like these people, my 7th grade science teacher's family whom was close with my family and are of Greek descent:




And the Iranic look is middle eastern no? Or do you not consider us part of that spectrum, but rather west asian?

[wvwvw]

I've seen my fair share of Greeks from Baltimore as well, and I agree that a lot look Balkan, but I would not say that half of them do. Also I think the "Greek" look is the most common. In addition, I think you are underestimating the amount of Greeks who look Middle Eastern. Sure they are a minority, but they are not "rare" either, especially among pontics.

There are diaspora Greeks who have lived outside of Greece for centuries before emigrating to USA. For example there are some Greeks from Turkey, Georgia, Ukraine who have never set foot in Greece in their entire lifetime. They immigrated directly from Turkey, Georgia etc to the United States and they emigrated holding Turkish/Ottoman or Russian passports to the U.S. Some of those have only partially Greek ancestry, and although they hold Greek customs, they differ a lot from the Greeks and their Greek customs in Greece because they have been cut off for centuries.