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    Quote Originally Posted by Selurong View Post
    Lol, you have Mayan and South Asian in you.
    Luzon seem to be the primary area of this admixture of chinese & native american

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ingenious View Post
    Luzon seem to be the primary area of this admixture of chinese & native american
    Yes. But there are other cities outside Luzon that have received Asian and Latin-American admixture.

    Chiefly...

    The region of Cebu. The old Rajahnate of Cebu was established by the half-Malay and half-Tamil Sri Lumay dynasty and had a pretty Indianized culture, that's why they found several Hindu artifacts in Mactan island.

    Then, Cebu city became the oldest city established by Spaniards in the Philippines, and by which, during it's foundation, received around 2100 soldier-settlers from New Spain (Mexico).

    Then, there's Zamboanga city, where, Don Sebastían Hurtado de Corcuera, brought armies raised from Peru and sailed to found that city as a fortress against the sultanates Brunei, Maguindanao, Lanao and Sulu ...

    "SECOND BOOK OF THE SECOND PART OF THE CONQUESTS OF THE FILIPINAS ISLANDS, AND CHRONICLE OF THE RELIGIOUS OF OUR FATHER, ST. AUGUSTINE" (Zamboanga City History) "He (Governor Don Sebastían Hurtado de Corcuera) brought a great reënforcements of soldiers, many of them from Perú, as he made his voyage to Acapulco from that kingdom."

    Even today, the Zamboanga people still speak a language akin to Spanish, Chavacano, a creole-language descended from Latin-American flavored Spanish.

    In nearby Davao city, formerly known as Japan-town, there were several Japanese who settled there.

    This gives alot of oppurtunity for interaction between the various races in those locations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selurong View Post
    Yes. But there are other cities outside Luzon that have received Asian and Latin-American admixture.

    Chiefly...

    The region of Cebu. The old Rajahnate of Cebu was established by the half-Malay and half-Tamil Sri Lumay dynasty and had a pretty Indianized culture, that's why they found several Hindu artifacts in Mactan island.

    Then, Cebu city became the oldest city established by Spaniards in the Philippines, and by which, during it's foundation, received around 2100 soldier-settlers from New Spain (Mexico).

    Then, there's Zamboanga city, where, Don Sebastían Hurtado de Corcuera, brought armies raised from Peru and sailed to found that city as a fortress against the sultanates Brunei, Maguindanao, Lanao and Sulu ...

    "SECOND BOOK OF THE SECOND PART OF THE CONQUESTS OF THE FILIPINAS ISLANDS, AND CHRONICLE OF THE RELIGIOUS OF OUR FATHER, ST. AUGUSTINE" (Zamboanga City History) "He (Governor Don Sebastían Hurtado de Corcuera) brought a great reënforcements of soldiers, many of them from Perú, as he made his voyage to Acapulco from that kingdom."

    Even today, the Zamboanga people still speak a language akin to Spanish, Chavacano, a creole-language descended from Latin-American flavored Spanish.

    In nearby Davao city, formerly known as Japan-town, there were many several Japanese who settled there.

    This gives alot of oppurtunity for interaction between the various races in those locations.
    most japanese were chased out of Davao after Worldwar 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ingenious View Post
    most japanese were chased out of Davao after Worldwar 2
    Only the non-assimilated Japanese though. I know a couple of Japanese families who stayed in the Philippines, post World War II.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selurong View Post
    Yes. But there are other cities outside Luzon that have received Asian and Latin-American admixture.

    Chiefly...

    The region of Cebu. The old Rajahnate of Cebu was established by the half-Malay and half-Tamil Sri Lumay dynasty and had a pretty Indianized culture, that's why they found several Hindu artifacts in Mactan island.

    Then, Cebu city became the oldest city established by Spaniards in the Philippines, and by which, during it's foundation, received around 2100 soldier-settlers from New Spain (Mexico).

    Then, there's Zamboanga city, where, Don Sebastían Hurtado de Corcuera, brought armies raised from Peru and sailed to found that city as a fortress against the sultanates Brunei, Maguindanao, Lanao and Sulu ...

    "SECOND BOOK OF THE SECOND PART OF THE CONQUESTS OF THE FILIPINAS ISLANDS, AND CHRONICLE OF THE RELIGIOUS OF OUR FATHER, ST. AUGUSTINE" (Zamboanga City History) "He (Governor Don Sebastían Hurtado de Corcuera) brought a great reënforcements of soldiers, many of them from Perú, as he made his voyage to Acapulco from that kingdom."

    Even today, the Zamboanga people still speak a language akin to Spanish, Chavacano, a creole-language descended from Latin-American flavored Spanish.

    In nearby Davao city, formerly known as Japan-town, there were several Japanese who settled there.

    This gives alot of oppurtunity for interaction between the various races in those locations.
    Criollos from new spain were what made up the citizen soldiers not indios....as Cebu was formed around 1600s

    the tamil thing is just a legend......

    phenotype wise Visayas and Mindanao are mostly free of non-sea foreign influence outside of the spanish prescence

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ingenious View Post
    Criollos from new spain were what made up the citizen soldiers not indios....as Cebu was formed around 1600s

    the tamil thing is just a legend......

    phenotype wise Visayas and Mindanao are mostly free of non-sea foreign influence outside of the spanish prescence
    No my friend. They actively recruited Native-Americans too. In fact, the Spanish authorities in Manila complained about this alot...

    They even recruited Mullatoes from Mexico...

    Letter from Fajardo to Felipe III From Manila, August 15 1620.(From the Spanish Archives of the Indies).

    "The infantry does not amount to two hundred men, in three companies. If these men were that number, and Spaniards, it would not be so bad; but, although I have not seen them, because they have not yet arrived here, I am told that they are, as at other times, for the most part boys, mestizos, and mulattoes, with some Indians (Native Americans). There is no little cause for regret in the great sums that reënforcements of such men waste for, and cost, your Majesty. I cannot see what betterment there will be until your Majesty shall provide it, since I do not think, that more can be done in Nueva Spańa, although the viceroy must be endeavoring to do so, as he is ordered."

    Also, Cebu being the destination of some Tamil migrants is most definitely true since not only was the leader of Cebu called a "Rajah", an Indian term, researchers postulate that a ton of words in the Cebuano language are Indian in origin. Several place-names in Cebu are even Sanskrit in origin. The Cebu Rajahnate's old capital for example was named Singhapala.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selurong View Post
    No my friend. They actively recruited Native-Americans too. In fact, the Spanish authorities in Manila complained about this alot...

    They even recruited Mullatoes from Mexico...

    Letter from Fajardo to Felipe III From Manila, August 15 1620.(From the Spanish Archives of the Indies).

    "The infantry does not amount to two hundred men, in three companies. If these men were that number, and Spaniards, it would not be so bad; but, although I have not seen them, because they have not yet arrived here, I am told that they are, as at other times, for the most part boys, mestizos, and mulattoes, with some Indians (Native Americans). There is no little cause for regret in the great sums that reënforcements of such men waste for, and cost, your Majesty. I cannot see what betterment there will be until your Majesty shall provide it, since I do not think, that more can be done in Nueva Spańa, although the viceroy must be endeavoring to do so, as he is ordered."

    Also, Cebu being the destination of some Tamil migrants is most definitely true since not only was the leader of Cebu called a "Rajah", an Indian term, researchers postulate that a ton of words in the Cebuano language are Indian in origin. Several place-names in Cebu are even Sanskrit in origin. The Cebu Rajahnate's old capital for example was named Singhapala.
    Not in the 1500s...your sources say manila. actual native Americans entered Luzon in the 1600s to 1800s during the manila-alcapulco galleon trade

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ingenious View Post
    Not in the 1500s...your sources say manila. actual native Americans entered Luzon in the 1600s to 1800s during the manila-alcapulco galleon trade
    Those yearly reinforcements are to be distributed to the whole of the archipelago, not just Manila.
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    Here's the Campaign war-map of Governor Don Sebastían Hurtado de Corcuera (Who brought reënforcements of soldiers from Perú) as he waged war against the Sulu Sultanate.



    Notice the prescence of Jesuit reducciones, modeled after missions in Latin-America being settled just outside Zamboanga fortress.
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