Bosniak music off topic

[RandoBloom]

Nažalost, ove pjesme su pred izumiranjem, zajednom sa Safetovim, Himzinim i sličnim repertoarima. Ja sam jedan od mlađih forumaša ovdje, kad kažeš omladini da slušaš ovako nešto, gledaju te kao da si s Marsa pao, nisu ni čuli za ovo (ili misle da je to neki seljakluk, a ne znaju da je sevdalinka čaršijska/gradska pjesma).

Jedan je Meho, nece se takav talent zadugo opet ponoviti. Zivotna prica mu je meni bas bliska, covjek od zidara do zvijezde. Himzo mi nije bas nesto licno, ima zenskast glas. Ko jebe omladinu, glupani vecina, dovoljno pogledati Jajce. Zato mi i nema nista draze nego 50 metara od Starog mosta otvoriti prozote i pustati Zivinicke hitove. Nek zaboli gradjane takve

[Methmatician]

How can slavs be enemies of "bosniaks" if they are slavs themselves?

Because nationalism is a disease and he's infected.

[RandoBloom]

Because nationalism is a disease and he's infected.

If nukes were heading towards Bosnia and Serbia, which slavic country would pick to save Bosnia over Serbia?
If Serbia and Bosnia go to war, which slavic countries would support Bosniaks?

[Methmatician]

If nukes were heading towards Bosnia and Serbia, which slavic country would pick to save Bosnia over Serbia?
If Serbia and Bosnia go to war, which slavic countries would support Bosniaks?

Beats me. These questions are too hypothetical.

[Blackfyre]

Because nationalism is a disease and he's infected.

I wouldn't say that. Nationalism is simply easy to misuse and, in the wrong hands, can turn into ethno- or clerochauvinism.

If nukes were heading towards Bosnia and Serbia, which slavic country would pick to save Bosnia over Serbia?
If Serbia and Bosnia go to war, which slavic countries would support Bosniaks?

You would propably find some who would. Either way, the question is utterly hypothetical as such a scenario would not happen. Even the second one. What reasons would there be for a war? The RS breaking off? As a federal citizen, I am no fan of it breaking off, but then again, it has as much a right to break off as any of the republics which broke off from Jugoslavia.
The entire bosnian national corpus has a huge issue with it's own "marketing" to the world. Surely, it is not the fault of the people themselves, but their leaders, who fail to make any relevant ally, especially in the slavic sphere. Any negative perception of the muslims of Bosnia and Herzegovina in the slavic nations comes from the failings of their political elite to present them there.

[Minesweeper]

What falsehood? Where is the slavic tribe of Bosniaks? Why wasn't it recorded as settling in the area?

That question has a simple answer, your ancestors were part of the historically recorded tribes.

[Methmatician]

I wouldn't say that. Nationalism is simply easy to misuse and, in the wrong hands, can turn into ethno- or clerochauvinism.

Nationalism is never positive. It's always been used to separate people.

[Blackfyre]

Nationalism is never positive. It's always been used to separate people.

Religious nationalism and ethnonationalism surely have, proper nationalims not tho, as it can only be there to unite the people within a nation for the common good. Nationalism is, all in all, a mere self-identification with the nation, the sturggle to uphold it's culture and achievments while also taking pride in it. If anything, you can agree to civic/liberal nationalism to be benificial. Had we had functioning Yugoslav nationalism, surely there would have been no war, or rather, the separating factions would be minor and their apparent neo-fascist doctrines would be visible.
Let us not forget, it was nationalism which unified Italy and Germany, without it, we would have to cross 70 borders just to get from Denmark to San Marino. Such types of nationalism are needed in countries with a deep divide, like, the USA for instance, which needs a form of nationalism that treats whites, blacks and so, as what they are, US citizens of equal rights, or, are needed to unite sovereign nations into one, for their own benefit and brotherly cooperation.

[RandoBloom]

Beats me. These questions are too hypothetical.

Yeah right. You can't think of any who would pick Bosnia so yo avoid it altogether.

I wouldn't say that. Nationalism is simply easy to misuse and, in the wrong hands, can turn into ethno- or clerochauvinism.

I agree with you completely. If only people in the Western Balkans would accept that they are Serbs, we could all live together hapilly, as soon as they change their religion along with ethnicity, catholic and muslim Serbs shouldn't stay separate from orthodox Serbs, and that too is achived by domination of a single idea. But all other nationalisms, the Bosniak, the Croat the Slovene and any other one is pure evil, placed there by dark international forces like CIA and USA to destroy the Greatness of the Serbs.

Did I get that right?

You would propably find some who would. Either way, the question is utterly hypothetical as such a scenario would not happen. Even the second one. What reasons would there be for a war? The RS breaking off? As a federal citizen, I am no fan of it breaking off, but then again, it has as much a right to break off as any of the republics which broke off from Jugoslavia.
The entire bosnian national corpus has a huge issue with it's own "marketing" to the world. Surely, it is not the fault of the people themselves, but their leaders, who fail to make any relevant ally, especially in the slavic sphere. Any negative perception of the muslims of Bosnia and Herzegovina in the slavic nations comes from the failings of their political elite to present them there.

I am sure I would find a Serb somewhere who would rather kill his entire nation than harm a Bosniak. Doesn't do a thing to impact the overall Serb view. When speaking in general terms there is not a single slavic nation who would chose Bosniaks over any other slavic nation. Therefore I see no reason to attach ourselves to those who place no value on us.
No it doesn't have that right. It was founded on genocide and it signed off the right to separation when it signed Dayton peace accords. Serbs try to break away, there will be war. And then even idiots like Mathematician will see what his "slavic brethren" thinks of Bosniaks.

Again I dont give a fuck how muslim of Bosnia are seen, I only care for Bosniaks. And secondly, why should we seek allies among slavs? When there was war in Bosnia they all supported Serbs. They took no time to side against us, so why should we try to win them over now? Bosnian allies lie in the west, US, Germany those are who should be our friends.

I am glad at least that our leaders havent humiliated themselves and approached Slavs or presented Bosniaks as Slavs. To be someone's footstool would be worse than not being at all.

[Blackfyre]

Yeah right. You can't think of any who would pick Bosnia so yo avoid it altogether.



I agree with you completely. If only people in the Western Balkans would accept that they are Serbs, we could all live together hapilly, as soon as they change their religion along with ethnicity, catholic and muslim Serbs shouldn't stay separate from orthodox Serbs, and that too is achived by domination of a single idea. But all other nationalisms, the Bosniak, the Croat the Slovene and any other one is pure evil, placed there by dark international forces like CIA and USA to destroy the Greatness of the Serbs.

Did I get that right?




I am sure I would find a Serb somewhere who would rather kill his entire nation than harm a Bosniak. Doesn't do a thing to impact the overall Serb view. When speaking in general terms there is not a single slavic nation who would chose Bosniaks over any other slavic nation. Therefore I see no reason to attach ourselves to those who place no value on us.
No it doesn't have that right. It was founded on genocide and it signed off the right to separation when it signed Dayton peace accords. Serbs try to break away, there will be war. And then even idiots like Mathematician will see what his "slavic brethren" thinks of Bosniaks.

Again I dont give a fuck how muslim of Bosnia are seen, I only care for Bosniaks. And secondly, why should we seek allies among slavs? When there was war in Bosnia they all supported Serbs. They took no time to side against us, so why should we try to win them over now? Bosnian allies lie in the west, US, Germany those are who should be our friends.

I am glad at least that our leaders havent humiliated themselves and approached Slavs or presented Bosniaks as Slavs. To be someone's footstool would be worse than not being at all.

I have not said, nor implied that Serbian nationalism is more or less good than any other. As said, I stand to what I have said, Yugoslav nationalism is the one that would unify us fully. I keep claiming that due to religious based identification that we can not know who shares descent from ancient White Croatia or White Serbia, thus, the absolute truth remains being a Yugoslav, as there is always the chance of being wrong when you claim that you are a Croat or Serb, due to said reason.
If you do not see the apparent US involvement in destroying Yugoslavia, then you are naive.

What other slavs think about Bosnian muslims is a product of what they had done to get involved in their ethnic group. You have to understand the lack of information at the time of the war, so it was natural when someone saw a mainly muslim force fighting non-muslims in a war of separation inside Europe to be against it, what did you think they would think?
Truth remains that muslims in Bosnia have never done anything to better up their reputation amongst their fellow kind.

And it is so nice that you try support countries which would never support your own stances. You do understand that the US has shown to serve corporate interests, and that the German government just follows along? But no, you are surely one of those who believe that socialism was the utter evil and that this system is way better. Hope you don't miss your daily dose of VOX magazin.

Then again, what you believe has utterly marginal support from your own fellow muslim population, so I am not bothered.
No one has to present Bosniaks as Slavs as that is already something the whole world believes. You also say you don't care how muslim bosnians are seen, yet that is, today, utterly the same thing as the current use of Bosniak (as we saw in the census propaganda).

And if you think there would be war, who would fight it and what for?