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    Any examples of West Turks vs "Middle" Turks vs East Turks of Anatolia?


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    West Anatolian Turk (from Adapazarı)


    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 36.74
    2 South_Central_Asian 11.53
    3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 11.25
    4 European_Early_Farmers 9.71
    5 Tungus-Altaic 6.55
    6 Near_East 5.53
    7 East_Siberian 4.73
    8 Arctic 3.48
    9 Ancestral_Altaic 2.95
    10 North_African 2.41
    11 South_East_Asian 1.61
    12 Melano_Polynesian 1.30
    13 Australoid 1.01

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Turk_Aydin @ 5.885062
    2 Turk_Balikesir @ 8.318324
    3 Turk_Istanbul @ 8.869559
    4 Turk @ 10.355407
    5 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 12.021833
    6 Azov_Greek @ 12.157321
    7 Nogai @ 12.231788
    8 Turk_Kayseri @ 13.440648
    9 Crimean_Tatar_Coast @ 13.851104
    10 Turk_Adana @ 13.981258
    11 Cirkassian @ 14.427249
    12 Stalskoe_Kumyk @ 16.548096
    13 Cretan @ 16.682146
    14 Georgian_Jew @ 16.721102
    15 Circassian @ 17.177387
    16 Kumyk @ 17.458357
    17 Greek_Macedonia @ 17.539604
    18 Romanian_Jew @ 17.566490
    19 Greek @ 17.602461
    20 Kabardin @ 17.636078

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Nogai +50% Turk_Balikesir @ 4.635275


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Circassian +25% Sicilian_Agrigento +25% Tatar-Siberian @ 4.058968


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    Central Anatolian Turk (from Aksaray)


    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 38.31
    2 South_Central_Asian 15.26
    3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 9.84
    4 European_Early_Farmers 9.22
    5 Near_East 7.04
    6 Tungus-Altaic 3.65
    7 North_African 3.22
    8 East_Siberian 3.10
    9 Ancestral_Altaic 2.93
    10 South_Indian 2.16
    11 South_East_Asian 1.89
    12 Arctic 1.38
    13 Austronesian 1.13

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Turk_Aydin @ 5.737835
    2 Turk_Istanbul @ 5.813556
    3 Turk @ 6.077835
    4 Turk_Balikesir @ 8.110736
    5 Turk_Kayseri @ 9.148629
    6 Turk_Adana @ 9.458119
    7 Azov_Greek @ 11.132698
    8 Cirkassian @ 11.776154
    9 Georgian_Jew @ 11.866308
    10 Azeri @ 12.888172
    11 Stalskoe_Kumyk @ 13.112051
    12 Uzbek_Tashkent @ 13.312876
    13 Kurd_North @ 13.387503
    14 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 13.471828
    15 Crimean_Tatar_Coast @ 13.534709
    16 Kumyk @ 13.995822
    17 Nogai @ 14.846873
    18 Kabardin @ 14.934309
    19 Kurd_South @ 15.271072
    20 Uzbekistani_Jew @ 15.579026

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Azeri +50% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 3.935001


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Azov_Greek +25% Turkmen_Uzbekistan +25% Uzbek_Tashkent @ 2.569513


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    East Anatolian Turk (from Malatya)



    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 38.66
    2 South_Central_Asian 16.74
    3 Near_East 10.45
    4 European_Early_Farmers 9.52
    5 European_Hunters_Gatherers 6.67
    6 Tungus-Altaic 5.64
    7 North_African 4.58
    8 Ancestral_Altaic 2.90
    9 South_East_Asian 2.31
    10 East_African 1.01

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Turk_Adana @ 5.637801
    2 Turk @ 5.994474
    3 Turk_Kayseri @ 6.931874
    4 Turk_Aydin @ 8.608265
    5 Turk_Istanbul @ 9.245278
    6 Georgian_Jew @ 9.428378
    7 Turk_Balikesir @ 10.234280
    8 Azeri @ 10.461411
    9 Kurd_North @ 11.031638
    10 Uzbek_Tashkent @ 11.144834
    11 Uzbekistani_Jew @ 12.008043
    12 Assyrian_Iraqi @ 12.388454
    13 Iraqi_Chaldean @ 12.462269
    14 Kurd_South @ 13.133368
    15 Syrian_Jew @ 13.788258
    16 Kurd_Jew @ 13.849469
    17 Azov_Greek @ 13.851061
    18 Kurd_East @ 14.105750
    19 Kurd @ 14.108153
    20 Iraqi_Mandean @ 14.109435

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Azeri +50% Turk_Balikesir @ 4.362856


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Azeri +25% Nogai +25% Turk_Jew @ 3.328340

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    Northeast Anatolia/Eastern Black Sea region seems to have little-to-none Central Asian/Turkic admixture due to several historical reasons, Turks from this region are usually outliers and tend to be closer to native peoples of South Caucasus and Eastern Black Sea (such as Laz people) than to Turks from the rest of Anatolia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danishmend View Post
    Northeast Anatolia/Eastern Black Sea region seems to have little-to-none Central Asian/Turkic admixture due to several historical reasons, Turks from this region are usually outliers and tend to be closer to native peoples of South Caucasus and Eastern Black Sea (such as Laz people) than to Turks from the rest of Anatolia.
    The area you map here is already hosting Greeks, Laz and Armenians (Hamshin) so it's not really a surprise.

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    Ethnic Turks from easternmost provinces (Kars, Iğdır and to some extent Ardahan) are related to Azerbaijanis, most of them are Karapapak/Terekeme. These Turks are identical to Azerbaijani Turks genetically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danishmend View Post
    West Anatolian Turk (from Adapazarı)


    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 36.74
    2 South_Central_Asian 11.53
    3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 11.25
    4 European_Early_Farmers 9.71
    5 Tungus-Altaic 6.55
    6 Near_East 5.53
    7 East_Siberian 4.73
    8 Arctic 3.48
    9 Ancestral_Altaic 2.95
    10 North_African 2.41
    11 South_East_Asian 1.61
    12 Melano_Polynesian 1.30
    13 Australoid 1.01

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Turk_Aydin @ 5.885062
    2 Turk_Balikesir @ 8.318324
    3 Turk_Istanbul @ 8.869559
    4 Turk @ 10.355407
    5 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 12.021833
    6 Azov_Greek @ 12.157321
    7 Nogai @ 12.231788
    8 Turk_Kayseri @ 13.440648
    9 Crimean_Tatar_Coast @ 13.851104
    10 Turk_Adana @ 13.981258
    11 Cirkassian @ 14.427249
    12 Stalskoe_Kumyk @ 16.548096
    13 Cretan @ 16.682146
    14 Georgian_Jew @ 16.721102
    15 Circassian @ 17.177387
    16 Kumyk @ 17.458357
    17 Greek_Macedonia @ 17.539604
    18 Romanian_Jew @ 17.566490
    19 Greek @ 17.602461
    20 Kabardin @ 17.636078

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Nogai +50% Turk_Balikesir @ 4.635275


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Circassian +25% Sicilian_Agrigento +25% Tatar-Siberian @ 4.058968


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    Central Anatolian Turk (from Aksaray)


    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 38.31
    2 South_Central_Asian 15.26
    3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 9.84
    4 European_Early_Farmers 9.22
    5 Near_East 7.04
    6 Tungus-Altaic 3.65
    7 North_African 3.22
    8 East_Siberian 3.10
    9 Ancestral_Altaic 2.93
    10 South_Indian 2.16
    11 South_East_Asian 1.89
    12 Arctic 1.38
    13 Austronesian 1.13

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Turk_Aydin @ 5.737835
    2 Turk_Istanbul @ 5.813556
    3 Turk @ 6.077835
    4 Turk_Balikesir @ 8.110736
    5 Turk_Kayseri @ 9.148629
    6 Turk_Adana @ 9.458119
    7 Azov_Greek @ 11.132698
    8 Cirkassian @ 11.776154
    9 Georgian_Jew @ 11.866308
    10 Azeri @ 12.888172
    11 Stalskoe_Kumyk @ 13.112051
    12 Uzbek_Tashkent @ 13.312876
    13 Kurd_North @ 13.387503
    14 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 13.471828
    15 Crimean_Tatar_Coast @ 13.534709
    16 Kumyk @ 13.995822
    17 Nogai @ 14.846873
    18 Kabardin @ 14.934309
    19 Kurd_South @ 15.271072
    20 Uzbekistani_Jew @ 15.579026

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Azeri +50% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 3.935001


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Azov_Greek +25% Turkmen_Uzbekistan +25% Uzbek_Tashkent @ 2.569513


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    East Anatolian Turk (from Malatya)



    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 38.66
    2 South_Central_Asian 16.74
    3 Near_East 10.45
    4 European_Early_Farmers 9.52
    5 European_Hunters_Gatherers 6.67
    6 Tungus-Altaic 5.64
    7 North_African 4.58
    8 Ancestral_Altaic 2.90
    9 South_East_Asian 2.31
    10 East_African 1.01

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Turk_Adana @ 5.637801
    2 Turk @ 5.994474
    3 Turk_Kayseri @ 6.931874
    4 Turk_Aydin @ 8.608265
    5 Turk_Istanbul @ 9.245278
    6 Georgian_Jew @ 9.428378
    7 Turk_Balikesir @ 10.234280
    8 Azeri @ 10.461411
    9 Kurd_North @ 11.031638
    10 Uzbek_Tashkent @ 11.144834
    11 Uzbekistani_Jew @ 12.008043
    12 Assyrian_Iraqi @ 12.388454
    13 Iraqi_Chaldean @ 12.462269
    14 Kurd_South @ 13.133368
    15 Syrian_Jew @ 13.788258
    16 Kurd_Jew @ 13.849469
    17 Azov_Greek @ 13.851061
    18 Kurd_East @ 14.105750
    19 Kurd @ 14.108153
    20 Iraqi_Mandean @ 14.109435

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Azeri +50% Turk_Balikesir @ 4.362856


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Azeri +25% Nogai +25% Turk_Jew @ 3.328340
    How do these results look with another calculator like Dodecad V3,K12b and Eurogenes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Konpirike View Post
    How do these results look with another calculator like Dodecad V3,K12b and Eurogenes?
    EUROGENES K13 (Eurogenes' Turkish average is based on Behar/Cappadocian Turkish samples, the same goes for Dodecad's Turks)


    West Anatolian Turk (from Adapazarı)

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_Asian 25.54
    2 East_Med 22.28
    3 West_Med 12.09
    4 Siberian 10.16
    5 Baltic 9.88
    6 North_Atlantic 7.45
    7 East_Asian 4.88
    8 Red_Sea 3.06
    9 South_Asian 1.70
    10 Amerindian 1.65
    11 Oceanian 1.32

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Turkish @ 12.895657
    2 Turkmen @ 16.245676
    3 Azeri @ 16.684412
    4 Nogay @ 16.734554
    5 Kumyk @ 19.313091
    6 Central_Greek @ 21.391880
    7 Balkar @ 22.150557
    8 East_Sicilian @ 22.433691
    9 Kurdish @ 22.761950
    10 Kabardin @ 22.909256
    11 Iranian @ 23.283205
    12 South_Italian @ 23.420187
    13 Italian_Abruzzo @ 23.508848
    14 Georgian_Jewish @ 23.704876
    15 Armenian @ 23.911604
    16 Greek_Thessaly @ 23.918442
    17 Lebanese_Muslim @ 24.252678
    18 Adygei @ 24.461098
    19 Assyrian @ 24.486204
    20 Ashkenazi @ 24.518797


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    Central Anatolian Turk (from Aksaray)

    # Population Percent
    1 West_Asian 28.07
    2 East_Med 25.43
    3 West_Med 12.22
    4 Baltic 7.53
    5 North_Atlantic 6.97
    6 South_Asian 6.15
    7 Siberian 4.67
    8 East_Asian 4.25
    9 Red_Sea 3.08

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Turkish @ 6.744424
    2 Azeri @ 10.347880
    3 Turkmen @ 14.723374
    4 Kurdish @ 16.484228
    5 Iranian @ 17.024174
    6 Kumyk @ 17.386562
    7 Armenian @ 17.777822
    8 Georgian_Jewish @ 17.964802
    9 Assyrian @ 18.647165
    10 Lebanese_Muslim @ 19.840136
    11 Syrian @ 20.588505
    12 Central_Greek @ 20.995918
    13 Iranian_Jewish @ 21.169991
    14 Balkar @ 21.420094
    15 Nogay @ 21.631065
    16 Kurdish_Jewish @ 21.645990
    17 East_Sicilian @ 21.879494
    18 Cyprian @ 21.978682
    19 South_Italian @ 22.205851
    20 Adygei @ 22.491724


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    East Anatolian Turk (from Malatya)
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_Asian 31.89
    2 East_Med 29.20
    3 West_Med 10.16
    4 Baltic 6.74
    5 North_Atlantic 6.17
    6 Siberian 4.73
    7 South_Asian 3.71
    8 East_Asian 3.25
    9 Red_Sea 3.04

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Turkish @ 4.378489
    2 Azeri @ 6.809495
    3 Kurdish @ 12.324608
    4 Armenian @ 13.010776
    5 Georgian_Jewish @ 13.139123
    6 Iranian @ 13.745514
    7 Assyrian @ 14.399998
    8 Turkmen @ 15.934693
    9 Kumyk @ 16.316236
    10 Iranian_Jewish @ 17.538933
    11 Kurdish_Jewish @ 17.885067
    12 Lebanese_Muslim @ 18.193047
    13 Syrian @ 19.659046
    14 Balkar @ 20.497295
    15 Adygei @ 20.756649
    16 Cyprian @ 21.235813
    17 Kabardin @ 21.976191
    18 Georgian @ 22.393810
    19 Ossetian @ 22.995247
    20 North_Ossetian @ 23.264135






    DODECAD K12B



    West Anatolian Turk (from Adapazarı)
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasus 34.81
    2 North_European 15.03
    3 Atlantic_Med 12.83
    4 Gedrosia 10.93
    5 Southwest_Asian 8.89
    6 Siberian 7.98
    7 East_Asian 6.60
    8 Southeast_Asian 1.92

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Turkish @ 14.578888
    2 Turks @ 15.248639
    3 Nogais @ 15.250460
    4 Ashkenazy_Jews @ 19.118065
    5 Kumyks @ 19.539242
    6 Ashkenazi @ 20.179510
    7 Greek @ 20.735010
    8 Turkmens @ 21.129719
    9 S_Italian_Sicilian @ 21.501472
    10 Sicilian @ 22.046568
    11 Sephardic_Jews @ 22.395966
    12 Lebanese @ 22.773842
    13 Uzbekistan_Jews @ 23.073719
    14 Iranian @ 24.025566
    15 Kurd @ 24.184879
    16 Kurds @ 24.322889
    17 Cypriots @ 24.508869
    18 Morocco_Jews @ 24.940607
    19 C_Italian @ 25.474440
    20 O_Italian @ 25.506067


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    Central Anatolian Turk (from Aksaray)

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasus 35.72
    2 Gedrosia 16.16
    3 Atlantic_Med 13.05
    4 North_European 11.77
    5 Southwest_Asian 8.77
    6 East_Asian 4.96
    7 Siberian 3.65
    8 South_Asian 3.10
    9 Northwest_African 1.38
    10 Southeast_Asian 1.31

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Turks @ 11.860248
    2 Turkish @ 11.866471
    3 Turkmens @ 17.000916
    4 Iranian @ 17.541338
    5 Kumyks @ 17.784475
    6 Kurd @ 17.886700
    7 Uzbekistan_Jews @ 18.064167
    8 Kurds @ 18.123840
    9 Nogais @ 19.020071
    10 Iranians @ 19.704573
    11 Ashkenazy_Jews @ 19.897848
    12 Lebanese @ 20.182539
    13 Ashkenazi @ 21.089584
    14 Sephardic_Jews @ 21.249451
    15 S_Italian_Sicilian @ 21.435328
    16 Sicilian @ 22.163843
    17 Greek @ 22.621967
    18 Georgia_Jews @ 22.777740
    19 Cypriots @ 23.051676
    20 Syrians @ 23.125586


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    East Anatolian Turk (from Malatya)

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasus 39.26
    2 Gedrosia 17.18
    3 Atlantic_Med 11.77
    4 Southwest_Asian 11.21
    5 North_European 10.14
    6 East_Asian 6.02
    7 Siberian 1.77
    8 Northwest_African 1.52

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Turks @ 8.257967
    2 Turkish @ 9.042234
    3 Uzbekistan_Jews @ 13.738951
    4 Kurds @ 14.807868
    5 Kurd @ 14.894469
    6 Iranian @ 15.293812
    7 Kumyks @ 16.823088
    8 Lebanese @ 17.101364
    9 Iranians @ 17.873535
    10 Georgia_Jews @ 18.081421
    11 Azerbaijan_Jews @ 18.568268
    12 Turkmens @ 18.730061
    13 Assyrian @ 18.979752
    14 Armenians_15 @ 19.322821
    15 Armenian @ 19.465853
    16 Iranian_Jews @ 19.939016
    17 Iraq_Jews @ 20.153265
    18 Syrians @ 20.429068
    19 Cypriots @ 20.550276
    20 Ashkenazy_Jews @ 20.889347

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witness View Post
    The area you map here is already hosting Greeks, Laz and Armenians (Hamshin) so it's not really a surprise.
    True, but Eastern Black Sea Turks (Trabzon-Rize) also seem to be pretty much native, just as Pontic Greeks, I'm talking about those who identify themselves as Turks. Both Turks and Greeks from the region are genetically outliers within their own ethnicities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danishmend View Post
    True, but Eastern Black Sea Turks (Trabzon-Rize) also seem to be pretty much native, just as Pontic Greeks, I'm talking about those who identify themselves as Turks. Both Turks and Greeks from the region are genetically outliers within their own ethnicities.
    Rumlar genelde Türkleşmeye/Türk olarak kendini tanımlamaya daha meyilli Lazlara ve Ermenilere nazaran ancak sonuçta herkes etnik/ırksal kökenini bilir. Genetiğin ortaya çıkışı ve bu sonuçların ortaya çıkması sadece malumun ilanı oldu. Örneğin hangi bölgede Türkçenin hangi grup yerel şive/ağızla konuşulduğuna bakıp haritalasan,aşağı yukarı aynı sonuç çıkar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witness View Post
    Rumlar genelde Türkleşmeye/Türk olarak kendini tanımlamaya daha meyilli Lazlara ve Ermenilere nazaran ancak sonuçta herkes etnik/ırksal kökenini bilir. Genetiğin ortaya çıkışı ve bu sonuçların ortaya çıkması sadece malumun ilanı oldu. Örneğin hangi bölgede Türkçenin hangi grup yerel şive/ağızla konuşulduğuna bakıp haritalasan,aşağı yukarı aynı sonuç çıkar.
    Doğu Karadeniz'in (Beşikdüzü-Şalpazarı'nın doğusu) Türkleşmesi 20 yy.'da tamamlandı, hala Rum olduğunu bilenler ve anadili Rumca olanlar olsa da yöre halkının çoğu artık tamamen Türkleşti.

    Anadolu ağızları haritası ile genetik veriler paralellik gösteriyor dediğin gibi.

    Kuzeydoğu Anadolu ağızlarının konuşulduğu bölgenin tamamı ve Doğu Anadolu'da D-3 bölgesi Orta Asya/Türk göçünden neredeyse hiç etkilenmemiş. D-1 zaten Kurmanci aksanı, D-4 ise Zaza aksanı.



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