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Thread: Turkish Autosomal DNA - West, Central and East Anatolian Turks

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyladybutterfly View Post
    it is linked with dark skin i bet
    It might be. But your supposed Indo-European ancestors had it too?

    This is Scythian_IA (it is better to use new calculators when running an ancient sample though)

    # Population Percent
    1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 29.79
    2 South_Central_Asian 20.32
    3 Caucasian 18.72
    4 Ancestral_Altaic 13.33
    5 East_Siberian 5.07
    6 Tungus-Altaic 4.01
    7 European_Early_Farmers 2.73
    8 Amerindian 1.53
    9 South_Indian 1.45



    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Tatar @ 17.403595
    2 Chuvashs @ 17.935585
    3 Tatar-Kazan @ 18.302456
    4 Tatar-Mishar @ 19.666245
    5 Bashkir @ 19.672329
    6 Tatar_Mishar @ 20.517881
    7 Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan @ 21.356195
    8 Tatar_Lithuania @ 21.374918
    9 Chuvash @ 21.435640
    10 Tatar-Lithuanian @ 21.517038
    11 Tatar_Kryashen @ 21.866390
    12 Tajik_Yagnobi @ 22.431164
    13 Udmurd @ 22.437077
    14 Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan @ 22.454140
    15 Komi @ 22.539734
    16 Crimean_Tatar_Step @ 23.093975
    17 Mari @ 24.409672
    18 Moksha @ 24.880068
    19 Russian-Ural @ 25.767704
    20 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 26.147543

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danishmend View Post
    Ethnic Turks from easternmost provinces (Kars, Iğdır and to some extent Ardahan) are related to Azerbaijanis, most of them are Karapapak/Terekeme. These Turks are identical to Azerbaijani Turks genetically.
    What is Armenia doing in the middle there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arslan View Post
    What is Armenia doing in the middle there?
    Population transfers. What is now Armenia, East Turkey and Azerbaijan were ethnically more heterogeneous back then. Azerbaijani Turks of East Anatolia (Kars-Iğdır) and Azerbaijan was connected via Azerbaijani Turks in what is now Armenia.


    "After the incorporation of the Erivan Khanate into the Russian Empire in 1828 through the Treaty of Turkmenchay, many Muslims (Azeris, Kurds, Lezgis and various nomadic tribes) left the area and were replaced with the tens of thousands of Armenian refugees from Persia.[7][8] By 1832 Muslims in what had been the Erivan khanate were already outnumbered by the immigrating Armenians. According to the Brockhaus and Efron Encyclopedic Dictionary, by the beginning of the twentieth century a significant population of Azeris still lived in Russian Armenia. They numbered about 300,000 persons or 37.5% in Russia's Erivan Governorate (roughly corresponding to most of present-day central Armenia, the Iğdır Province of Turkey, and Azerbaijan's Nakhchivan exclave).[10]"[9]






    Distribution of Azerbaijanis in modern borders of Armenia, 1886-1890.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danishmend View Post
    It might be. But your supposed Indo-European ancestors had it too?

    This is Scythian_IA (it is better to use new calculators when running an ancient sample though)

    # Population Percent
    1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 29.79
    2 South_Central_Asian 20.32
    3 Caucasian 18.72
    4 Ancestral_Altaic 13.33
    5 East_Siberian 5.07
    6 Tungus-Altaic 4.01
    7 European_Early_Farmers 2.73
    8 Amerindian 1.53
    9 South_Indian 1.45

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Tatar @ 17.403595
    2 Chuvashs @ 17.935585
    3 Tatar-Kazan @ 18.302456
    4 Tatar-Mishar @ 19.666245
    5 Bashkir @ 19.672329
    6 Tatar_Mishar @ 20.517881
    7 Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan @ 21.356195
    8 Tatar_Lithuania @ 21.374918
    9 Chuvash @ 21.435640
    10 Tatar-Lithuanian @ 21.517038
    11 Tatar_Kryashen @ 21.866390
    12 Tajik_Yagnobi @ 22.431164
    13 Udmurd @ 22.437077
    14 Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan @ 22.454140
    15 Komi @ 22.539734
    16 Crimean_Tatar_Step @ 23.093975
    17 Mari @ 24.409672
    18 Moksha @ 24.880068
    19 Russian-Ural @ 25.767704
    20 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim @ 26.147543
    You are a traitor.

    This is a Turk. I don't know why some Western Europeans want to be descended from Scythians. (The fact is that the Greeks used the term Scythian for Turkic, Finno-Ugric and some Caucasian groups, not for Indo-Iranians. Only the 'Sarmatians' are referred as related to Medes in some Greek sources.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplog....29_.28Asia.29

    Some people see this and conclude that the Kyrgyz descend from Proto-Indoeuropeans, while the opposite is true. The Pashtuns are over 40% Turkic, patrilineary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danaus View Post
    You are a traitor.

    This is a Turk. I don't know why some Western Europeans want to be descended from Scythians. (The fact is that the Greeks used the term Scythian for Turkic, Finno-Ugric and some Caucasian groups, not for Indo-Iranians. Only the 'Sarmatians' are referred as related to Medes in some Greek sources.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplog....29_.28Asia.29

    Some people see this and conclude that the Kyrgyz descend from Proto-Indoeuropeans, while the opposite is true. The Pashtuns are over 40% Turkic, patrilineary.
    Haplogroups predate language families. Haplogroup R* originated in North Asia 20-27k years ago, which is older than seperation of modern language families.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackrussell View Post
    Which makes you an inbred indeed , doesn't it ?
    Nope, I was taunting Danishmend. Turks being ''racially mixed'' while he is getting a hard on taunting Italians. A turk is in no such position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alessio View Post
    Nope, I was taunting Danishmend. Turks being ''racially mixed'' while he is getting a hard on taunting Italians. A turk is in no such position.
    Every modern population is a mixture of different ancestral populations. The difference between Turks and Europeans is that the Turkic migration into Anatolia occurred in a relatively recent period (1000-1300 AD). Europe had passed through the same process (migration of Indo-Europeans) several thousand years ago.

    Modern Turks can be modelled as a mixture between native Anatolians and Oghuz tribes, just as South Italians and Sicilians are a mixture of Neolithic farmers, WHG, Indo-Europeans and Subsaharan Africans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danishmend View Post
    True, but Eastern Black Sea Turks (Trabzon-Rize) also seem to be pretty much native, just as Pontic Greeks, I'm talking about those who identify themselves as Turks. Both Turks and Greeks from the region are genetically outliers within their own ethnicities.
    Pontians are the Paghlagonians.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paphlagonia

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    Do you have from Maras also DNA results?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harlekin View Post
    Do you have from Maras also DNA results?
    1/2 Kurd 1/2 Turk from Kahramanmaraş/Pazarcık


    MDLP K23b
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 38.08
    2 South_Central_Asian 23.08
    3 European_Early_Farmers 10.51
    4 Near_East 9.69
    5 European_Hunters_Gatherers 4.16
    6 Ancestral_Altaic 3.70
    7 North_African 2.22
    8 South_Indian 1.83
    9 Tungus-Altaic 1.76
    10 Austronesian 1.24
    11 East_Siberian 1.23
    12 Amerindian 1.07

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Kurd_North @ 5.595399
    2 Azeri @ 5.954505
    3 Kurd_South @ 7.129906
    4 Kurd_East @ 7.751611
    5 Turk_Adana @ 7.801487
    6 Kurd @ 8.147782
    7 Uzbek_Tashkent @ 8.412601
    8 Turk_Kayseri @ 8.651460
    9 Turk @ 9.891002
    10 Baku_WGA @ 9.917152
    11 Uzbekistani_Jew @ 10.242019
    12 Georgian_Jew @ 11.103644
    13 Assyrian_Iraqi @ 12.114095
    14 Iraqi_Chaldean @ 12.395110
    15 Iranian @ 12.805225
    16 Azeri_Dagestan @ 13.095366
    17 Kurd_Jew @ 13.165466
    18 Turk_Istanbul @ 13.272242
    19 Iraqi_Mandean @ 13.350400
    20 Stalskoe_Kumyk @ 13.882825

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Kurd_South +50% Turk_Kayseri @ 4.136648


    ----------------------------------------------------------------


    Harappa-World
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 40.83
    2 Baloch 23.40
    3 SW-Asian 12.34
    4 Mediterranean 9.40
    5 NE-Euro 7.95
    6 Siberian 2.88
    7 NE-Asian 1.82
    8 S-Indian 1.38

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 turkish @ 5.764422
    2 kurd @ 5.917320
    3 iranian @ 6.961287
    4 kurd @ 7.580801
    5 azeri @ 7.760141
    6 kurd @ 8.544143
    7 iranian @ 8.754938
    8 armenian @ 9.673327
    9 turk-kayseri @ 9.724580
    10 uzbekistan-jew @ 9.979403
    11 turk @ 10.202403
    12 turk-istanbul @ 10.272656
    13 iraqi-arab @ 13.296563
    14 north-ossetian @ 14.133682
    15 assyrian @ 14.942032
    16 turk-aydin @ 15.277298
    17 iraqi-mandaean @ 15.420327
    18 kumyk @ 15.784470
    19 turkmen @ 16.342701
    20 iranian-jew @ 16.391590

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% iranian +50% turk-istanbul @ 3.399316

    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% kurd +25% kurd +25% turk-aydin @ 2.488810


    ----------------------------------------------------------------


    Dodecad k12b

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasus 37.35
    2 Gedrosia 23.46
    3 Southwest_Asian 13.26
    4 Atlantic_Med 9.86
    5 North_European 7.76
    6 Siberian 3.29
    7 Northwest_African 1.46
    8 East_Asian 1.16

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Kurd @ 7.803437
    2 Iranian @ 8.408259
    3 Kurds @ 8.454720
    4 Iranians @ 10.122852
    5 Uzbekistan_Jews @ 11.287041
    6 Turks @ 12.515256
    7 Turkish @ 14.583153
    8 Turkmens @ 15.728647
    9 Azerbaijan_Jews @ 17.945290
    10 Lebanese @ 18.085571
    11 Georgia_Jews @ 18.171579
    12 Iranian_Jews @ 18.183741
    13 Assyrian @ 18.491699
    14 Iraq_Jews @ 18.950994
    15 Kumyks @ 19.193964
    16 Armenians_15 @ 20.058491
    17 Syrians @ 20.245169
    18 Armenian @ 20.640882
    19 Jordanians @ 22.496075
    20 Druze @ 22.940786

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Iranians +50% Turks @ 5.167966

    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Kurds +25% Sephardic_Jews +25% Turkmens @ 2.425008


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    Eurogenes k13
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_Asian 35.51
    2 East_Med 30.47
    3 South_Asian 7.36
    4 North_Atlantic 7.22
    5 West_Med 6.17
    6 Baltic 4.18
    7 Red_Sea 3.97
    8 Siberian 2.57
    9 East_Asian 1.09

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Azeri @ 3.560387
    2 Kurdish @ 6.643169
    3 Iranian @ 7.994103
    4 Turkish @ 8.688003
    5 Armenian @ 11.525566
    6 Georgian_Jewish @ 12.163816
    7 Assyrian @ 13.933495
    8 Turkmen @ 15.890037
    9 Iranian_Jewish @ 16.207766
    10 Kumyk @ 16.542269
    11 Kurdish_Jewish @ 17.144024
    12 Lebanese_Muslim @ 19.956636
    13 Adygei @ 20.293047
    14 Georgian @ 20.441536
    15 Syrian @ 21.242437
    16 Balkar @ 21.343554
    17 Abhkasian @ 22.242811
    18 Ossetian @ 22.396023
    19 Kabardin @ 22.738619
    20 North_Ossetian @ 23.101778

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Azeri +50% Azeri @ 3.560387


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