Proposition - The Banana Republic of Fyrom

[Aspar]

I understand the butthurt of this Linebacker but Bulgars were Asian tribe with different language then what modern Bulgarians speak and although I deeply respect the Asian nomads as warlike tribes who didn't give no shit even to big empires like the Roman Empire, still I can't identify with them when there is no any Asian dna in me, in whatever calculators and tests I've tried, moreover I don't speak the language of these Bulgars...

Now when I try to model some Eastern Bulgarians, the Tatar reference almost always come up, small but still present, a legacy from the old Bulgars:

[1] "distance%=3.0122"

Bulgarian:BulgarianH2

BGR_IA,27.2
Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2,25.6
HUN_Avar_Szolad,19.2
CZE_Early_Slav,14.8
Anatolia_IA,9.2
Tatar,4

This is not the case with me as nMonte completely rejects the "Tatar" in my own results:

[1] "distance%=2.4118"

Aspar_scaled

BGR_IA,52.6
HUN_Avar_Szolad,19.2
CZE_Early_Slav,17.4
Anatolia_IA,8.2
Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2,2.6

That being said, I am not using the Tatars as an excuse to ridicule the Bulgarians however, it is clear there is a difference between the Bulgarians and the Macedonians and this is also reflected by phenotypes.

Still, I consider the Bulgarians the closest people to us after the real Macedonian Slavophone "Greeks" of course, who are mostly of Thracian and Slavic stock but whose identity was lost due to the stronger Bulgar influence.

[Jana]

^^^

Interesting. East Bulgarians are closest to Romanians ?
What about west Bulgarians, are they close to Serbs like some Serb members here claim, or closer to Macedonians ?

[Aspar]

^^^

Interesting. East Bulgarians are closest to Romanians ?
What about west Bulgarians, are they close to Serbs like some Serb members here claim, or closer to Macedonians ?

The North-Western Bulgarians form one cluster with the Southern Serbs and with the Northern Macedonians from N.Macedonia.
I call this cluster the "Torlakian" cluster and they are different from other Bulgarians or Macedonians.

The South-Western Bulgarians from Blagoevgrad, Petrich are no different then other Macedonians and cluster with us, not with the Eastern Bulgarians!

A Bulgarian from Western Bulgaria:

[1] "distance%=2.1736"

Bulgarian:Bulgaria1

CZE_Early_Slav,27.2
BGR_IA,26
HUN_Avar_Szolad,21.6
Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2,16.6
Anatolia_IA,7.6
Tatar,1

A Bulgarian from North-Western Bulgaria:

[1] "distance%=2.8912"

Bulgarian:BulgarianE2

CZE_Early_Slav,30
HUN_Avar_Szolad,27
BGR_IA,18.2
Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2,16.4
Anatolia_IA,6.4
Tatar,2

[pelikarski]

I understand the butthurt of this Linebacker but Bulgars were Asian tribe with different language then what modern Bulgarians speak and although I deeply respect the Asian nomads as warlike tribes who didn't give no shit even to big empires like the Roman Empire, still I can't identify with them when there is no any Asian dna in me, in whatever calculators and tests I've tried, moreover I don't speak the language of these Bulgars...

Now when I try to model some Eastern Bulgarians, the Tatar reference almost always come up, small but still present, a legacy from the old Bulgars:

[1] "distance%=3.0122"

Bulgarian:BulgarianH2

BGR_IA,27.2
Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2,25.6
HUN_Avar_Szolad,19.2
CZE_Early_Slav,14.8
Anatolia_IA,9.2
Tatar,4

This is not the case with me as nMonte completely rejects the "Tatar" in my own results:

[1] "distance%=2.4118"

Aspar_scaled

BGR_IA,52.6
HUN_Avar_Szolad,19.2
CZE_Early_Slav,17.4
Anatolia_IA,8.2
Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2,2.6

That being said, I am not using the Tatars as an excuse to ridicule the Bulgarians however, it is clear there is a difference between the Bulgarians and the Macedonians and this is also reflected by phenotypes.

Still, I consider the Bulgarians the closest people to us after the real Macedonian Slavophone "Greeks" of course, who are mostly of Thracian and Slavic stock but whose identity was lost due to the stronger Bulgar influence.

Doesn't Fyrom have some regional divide North/Sourth in terms of look and genetics

[Aspar]

Doesn't Fyrom have some regional divide North/Sourth in terms of look and genetics

That's what I said in my previous post.
Those from the north of N.Macedonia cluster with Nort-Western Bulgarians and Southern Serbs and are also noticably lighter then let's set Macedonians from Bitola.

[Pribislav]

That's what I said in my previous post.
Those from the north of N.Macedonia cluster with Nort-Western Bulgarians and Southern Serbs and are also noticably lighter then let's set Macedonians from Bitola.

Among Macedonians from Bitola there is a lot of recenent assimilated Aromanians.

[Aspar]

Among Macedonians from Bitola there is a lot of recenent assimilated Aromanians.

You keep repeating that Aromanian nonsense without any real proofs and arguments...

This a Myheritage result of a Macedonian from Prilep, Central N.Macedonia where there were no any noticeable Aromanian communities: