Haplogroups of Ancient Greece and neighbours

[Tauromachos]

Then what did motivate Plato to write the Dorian migration in Peloponnese?
Also how do you explain low frequencies of J2a in mainland Greece compared to Mycenaeans and Minoans?

Exactly what did he say about Dorian migration?

Do you understand that when someone talks about a group of native people in Greece itself from Dorida or Mount Parnassos which is Central Greece not even North migrating at some point South
into the Peloponnese that this is no evidence of a migration or Invasion of foreign people from Albania into Greece?

[Scholarios]

What does one make of that so-called "Dorian" sample among the Mycenean genomes (this one from Crete, I think). He was really northeast shifted.

[-Scar-]

Exactly what did he say about Dorian migration?

Do you understand that when someone talks about a group of native people in Greece itself from Dorida or Mount Parnassos which is Central Greece not even North migrating at some point South
into the Peloponnese that this is no evidence of a migration or Invasion of foreign people from Albania into Greece?

I am not saying Dorians came from Albania, but there was an interruption of the Mycenaean civilization:
http://www.historywiz.com/mycenaeanfall.htm

-- The old Greeks came to believe that the Cyclopean walls were not built by humans, they knew nothing about the Mycenaean script instead they adopted one from Phoenicians, the new civilization (300 years later) is divided into numerous city-states instead of Monarchies etc.

[-Scar-]

What does one make of that so-called "Dorian" sample among the Mycenean genomes (this one from Crete, I think). He was really northeast shifted.

It is not a good sample.
That sample was really damaged that in GedMatch calculator she came up as half Middle-Eastern - half British.

[Livin]

I am not saying Dorians came from Albania, but there was an interruption of the Mycenaean civilization:
http://www.historywiz.com/mycenaeanfall.htm

-- The old Greeks came to believe that the Cyclopean walls were not built by humans, they knew nothing about the Mycenaean script instead they adopted one from Phoenicians, the new civilization (300 years later) is divided into numerous city-states instead of Monarchies etc.

Dorians pushed out by Illyrians probably!

They have settled probably in Epirus and southern Albania.

[catgeorge]

Dorians and Illyrians are likely cousins..

[Bosniensis]

Dorians and Illyrians are likely cousins..

Illyrians and Celts are cousins. I've read that on multiple places in Greek Bibliotheca.

I really never understood who are Dorians. Remember that Illyrians populated western balkans in 500 B.C from modern day Hungary (Pannonia) and they defeated Thracian populace (that's why Romans called those area Thraco-Illyrians)

Dorians invaded before that between 9th and 11th century if I am right, they are probably related to Thracians.

[Thanas Django]

. I've read that on multiple places in Greek Bibliotheca.

I read in Greek bibliotheca that Islam is not a religion but a cult and that its followers are human pieces of shit.

[Pribislav]

Illyrians and Celts are cousins. I've read that on multiple places in Greek Bibliotheca.

I really never understood who are Dorians. Remember that Illyrians populated western balkans in 500 B.C from modern day Hungary (Pannonia) and they defeated Thracian populace (that's why Romans called those area Thraco-Illyrians)

Dorians invaded before that between 9th and 11th century if I am right, they are probably related to Thracians.

Why you puted Perast on avatar?
Perest were never Ottoman, but 377 years under the Venetian rule and 112 years under the Austrian rule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perast

[Livin]

Dorians and Illyrians are likely cousins..

Exactly!
Thats why you see so many Dinarid people in southern parts of Peloponnesus and in Crete also were Dorians settled.

Dorians and illyrians were Iron Age(r1b) tribes pretty close genetically!

I can say that they indoeuropicized the local Neolithics in Albania and Greece.