March of the Titans

[Joe McCarthy]

In fairness to Kemp, I don't think the Amerinds needed to yell 'RAHOWA!' before our struggle with them could be deemed a race war. All that is required is that we were of two different races and we were at war. That's all.

Moreover, even a cursory familiarity with the Indian wars will allow one to recognize that there was a great deal of racial animosity coming from the Amerind side.

Originally Posted by Falkata
WtF? A racial war?
The amerinds were killing each other since centuries before any european arrived to America .

By the same token, Africans were killing each other centuries before Europeans landed in Africa. Even so, only a deconstructionist type would say something like Blood River was not racial conflict.

[Cato]

Moreover, even a cursory familiarity with the Indian wars will allow one to recognize that there was a great deal of racial animosity coming from the Amerind side.

Something that also came from the Europeans, often with far more effective means of extermination than anything the Natives could accomplish. The Natives more or less lived in a heroic culture of sorts, with raiding and low-level skirmishes between tribes the order of warfare (rather than organized warfare in the European style).

Also, refer to my earlier post, where the Tadodaho, more or less suggests that racism as it is known nowadays is the creation of a peculiarly western mentality.

[Falkata]

By the same token, Africans were killing each other centuries before Europeans landed in Africa. Even so, only a deconstructionist type would say something like Blood River was not racial conflict.

It´s not a racial conflict, since there aren´t homogenous blocks of "blacks/amerindians vs whites" and the war wasn´t motivated by racial reasons It´s much more complicated than that.
Maybe you are one of the ones who always claim "racism!!" when a white punches a black in a random fight.

[Cato]

The armed conflicts in North America involving Europeans saw Natives fighting on several sides of these wars (i.e. the French and Indian War, the American Revolution, the War of 1812).

[Joe McCarthy]

Something that also came from the Europeans, often with far more effective means of extermination than anything the Natives could accomplish. The Natives more or less lived in a heroic culture of sorts, with raiding and low-level skirmishes between tribes the order of warfare (rather than organized warfare in the European style).

Tribes like the Apache were great guerilla fighters and that caused the US military a certain amount of angst, but even that was facilitated by the Spanish reintroduction of horses into the Americas in the 16th century.

As for whether the often bloodthirsty savagery of Amerinds qualifies as heroic or not... I suppose that's a matter of debate. I'm a bit skeptical about words like 'honor' and 'heroic' being used to describe indiscriminate mass carnage of all ages, sexes, and conditions as warfare. My view toward the Japanese is similar.

[Charles Martel]

The whole book is a joke and has no ounce of historical accuracy. If I was Iberian I would find it insulting and revolting to say they least.

[Curtis24]

The book is actually good at summarizing non-racial parts of history. However, any and all discussions of race in the book are bullshit.

[Joe McCarthy]

It´s not a racial conflict, since there aren´t homogenous blocks of "blacks/amerindians vs whites" and the war wasn´t motivated by racial reasons It´s much more complicated than that.

By this reasoning no conflict in history has been a race war. Indeed, even in Haiti the French had a good number of black and mulatto fighters on their side. Every civilizational conflict, including the Crusades, has seen members from the opposing hostile group joining the other side.

And the fact that a conflict is not entirely motivated by race tells us nothing. Every conflict is motivated by a confluence of causes. The war in Bosnia is pretty generally regarded as having been ethnic conflict, but few would interpret that to mean it didn't have other causes too.

[Curtis24]

The amerinds were killing each other since centuries before any european arrived to America .

The situation is of course more complicated. The truth is that they went through cycles of both peace and war. Immediately prior to the coming of Europeans, the Iroquois had been in the process of developing a Christian like morality and law code. Prior to that, they had lived in a prolonged "Dark Ages" that included cannibalism and ritualistic torture. Prior to that, they had lived peacefully for many centuries in small villages and engaged extensively in peaceful trade with each other. etc.

[Vasconcelos]

I've read a bit of it, it's wrong in so many ways I can't even bother to look at it again, what an ignorant.