Saudi Arabia Hopes to mend fences with Isreal

[Excel]

I have always said that the Saudi regime is the biggest threat for the Sunni Muslims. First they attacked the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt, then they back stabbed Saddam Hussein. Now they spit on the faces of the Palestinian people. Worse they stoke sectarian hatred between the Sunnis and Shia's, they executed a top Shia cleric unjustly. Maybe the stupid were right about the Saudi regime. How would the so called scholars in Saudi Arabia now defend Saudi's seeking closer ties with Israel.

[zhaoyun]

Hopes to?

They're best friends LOL

[Loki]

Hopes to?

They're best friends LOL

True! It's only behind the scenes. I guess they want to make the romance public now.

[Excel]

The Saudi's are basically now Israel's number one biiitch. They have the idea that being with Israel will assure them safety and security. But the Jews will use them to destroy what remains of the Muslim world. As we speak deals are being made between the Saudi's and the state of Israel. The Saud's want to have the blessing of Israel to become the key power of the Arabian region but in return the house of Saud has to play a key part of Israel's plans in destroying every Muslim country it can with terror and division.

[sean]

Israel and Saudi Arabia are allies against Iran. The regime is aligned with Israel on US orders. The populace might not feel the same way but they have no power.




Saudi Arabia used to be red-pilled on the whore question, but sweeping liberal reforms took place last year. They even allowed music festivals, gender mixing in some areas for the first time. Also removed permission for Mutawa to arrest people.

One has to wonder just how much the House of Saud can do this sort of weird dance between being hardcore Islamic and appeasing US and Israel at the same time and not collapsing. Currently, this strategy seems to not really pay off.

Jihadists still hate Saudi Arabia to the guts because they are allied with Israel/USA etc. Westerners hate them for oppressing women, not being liberal enough, not opening up to foreign ideas etc.

Saudi Arabia is still an Islamic dictatorship though. Judaism and Christianity are still banned there despite the "reforms". The Saudis secretly hate Israel and America still. They still imprison women that are trying to escape, even their king's niece tried to escape to get blacked lel.



If Saudi thots get the idea that they can escape their country and family and live as a thot without consequences, then Saudi Arabia begins to lose its women and break down. Real progress can only happen when Western leaders stop kissing Saudi arse.

I have always said that the Saudi regime is the biggest threat for the Sunni Muslims. First they attacked the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt, then they back stabbed Saddam Hussein. Now they spit on the faces of the Palestinian people. Worse they stoke sectarian hatred between the Sunnis and Shia's, they executed a top Shia cleric unjustly. Maybe the stupid were right about the Saudi regime. How would the so called scholars in Saudi Arabia now defend Saudi's seeking closer ties with Israel.

Saudi Arabia is still the source of so much Salafist influence. They adhere to some conservative forms but then turn around and chase the same things people do in liberal countries just to a lesser degree. Salafism has evolved to be honest. In the 1950s it was forced to take a more radical approach because Nasserism was becoming popular in the region. A socialist system threatened the monarchy and then King Faisal be put in power of Saudi Arabia where he brought all these liberal reforms and stabilised the country. The problem began in 1979 with a few things happened: the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and most importantly the Islamic Revolution of 1979.

Soviet invasion of Afghanistan made Salafi teachers popular in Pakistan to train the Taliban (the youth at the time) that were in refugee camps.

The Iranian Revolution preached Republicanism and threatened the Gulf monarchy rule with talk about revolution. The monarchies then pushed Wahhabism/Salafism like crazy and made it extreme to counter Shi'ism.

The Wahhabists have ALWAYS called themselves "reformers" since the beginning.



It has been more politically oriented to be honest, tied to nationalism and more about Shia vs. Sunnism. Wahhabism in 1979 was not the same as Wahhabism in 2020 for instance.

[Mingle]

The problem began in 1979 with a few things happened: the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and most importantly the Islamic Revolution of 1979.

There was also the Grand Mosque seizure in 1979. Its when a group of Islamist militants (who claimed divine status) invaded the Ka'aba in Mecca and held the place hostage with the ultimate aim to overthrow the House of Saud and run the country themselves cause they felt the KSA was too liberal and un-Islamic. After they were all killed, the king thought that maybe he should listen to them to keep something like that from happening again.

[sean]

There was also the Grand Mosque seizure in 1979. Its when a group of Islamist militants (who claimed divine status) invaded the Ka'aba in Mecca and held the place hostage with the ultimate aim to overthrow the House of Saud and run the country themselves cause they felt the KSA was too liberal and un-Islamic. After they were all killed, the king thought that maybe he should listen to them to keep something like that from happening again.

Well, the US initially blamed Ayatollah Khomeini for the seizure (1979 Qatif Uprising was taking place at the same time). Khomeini denied the accusations and blamed the United States and Israel in return. Another thing to mention is that Carter fucked up with the Grand Mosque seizure in 1979. The Saudis were busy promoting Western values in an effort to marginalise the religious authorities when they realised that the oil revenue would decline at some point. As a rentier state they would need new sources of revenue to maintain power. Extremist Imams would only hamper their efforts to transform their economy.

Their government is based on the Wahhabi model where a strong dictator can do whatever they want for the most part as long as they leave social mores up to the religious authorities. So there are two authorities here and the Al Saud of course want to be the stronger one. So, when the jihadis seize the mosque, the Al Saud need to reclaim it since they are basically protectors of the holiest site in Islam. Their own forces are incompetent for few reasons. Partly because they don't want well trained armed forces since they may turn on the Al Saud, and culturally, higher ranked people keep knowledge a secret to maintain their positions which minimises competition and increase their value (remember when the US had problems training the Iraqi army).

Anyway, Wahhabism as practiced in Saudi Arabia preaches loyalty to the monarchy/state so they don't get another event like the king getting assassinated or the Grand Mosque seizure in 1979. Saudi Arabia pushes people (like bin Laden and the Ikhwan) out of the country, either as preachers or emissaries or exiles, because it does not want them in the Hejaz where they can incite insurrections against the Saudi state.

[Mingle]

Well, the US initially blamed Ayatollah Khomeini for the seizure (1979 Qatif Uprising was taking place at the same time). Khomeini denied the accusations and blamed the United States and Israel in return. Another thing to mention is that Carter fucked up with the Grand Mosque seizure in 1979. The Saudis were busy promoting Western values in an effort to marginalise the religious authorities when they realised that the oil revenue would decline at some point. As a rentier state they would need new sources of revenue to maintain power. Extremist Imams would only hamper their efforts to transform their economy.

Their government is based on the Wahhabi model where a strong dictator can do whatever they want for the most part as long as they leave social mores up to the religious authorities. So there are two authorities here and the Al Saud of course want to be the stronger one. So, when the jihadis seize the mosque, the Al Saud need to reclaim it since they are basically protectors of the holiest site in Islam. Their own forces are incompetent for few reasons. Partly because they don't want well trained armed forces since they may turn on the Al Saud, and culturally, higher ranked people keep knowledge a secret to maintain their positions which minimises competition and increase their value (remember when the US had problems training the Iraqi army).

Anyway, Wahhabism as practiced in Saudi Arabia preaches loyalty to the monarchy/state so they don't get another event like the king getting assassinated or the Grand Mosque seizure in 1979. Saudi Arabia pushes people (like bin Laden and the Ikhwan) out of the country, either as preachers or emissaries or exiles, because it does not want them in the Hejaz where they can incite insurrections against the Saudi state.

Why did you keep deleting your comment and then quoting me with the same comment? This is the third time you've done it.

[sean]

Why did you keep deleting your comment and then quoting me with the same comment? This is the third time you've done it.

I thought you didn't get the reply, well, nevermind then lel.