Scoring Jew on autosomal calcs?

[dddcc]

I was baffled by the fact that some of my closest oracles hypothetise me as 50%North European+25%North African +25% Jew and by my scoring of nearly 10% ashkenazi at FTDNA and Dna Land.
Herein MY CLOSEST ORACLE RESULTS (ONLY ORACLES WITHOUT ANCIENT POPULATIONS INCLUDED AND WITH GENETIC DISTANCE <3 AND WERE KEPT) :
1 Jew_France + Moroccan + CEU + Ukrainian-Center @ 0.927030 MDLP World
1 50% Icelandic +25% Libyan_Jew +25% Tunisian @ 2.518153 MDLP K23b
1 Algerian + BedouinA + British + Norwegian_West @ 2.072077 MDLP K23b
1 50% German-North +25% Jew_Italia +25% Moroccan @ 1.626955 MDLP World-22
1 Ashkenazim_V + Bulgarian + Moroccan + Swedish_V @ 1.338454 MDLP World-22
1 CEU + Morocco_Jews + Swedish + Sahara_OCC @ 1.618438 DODECAD V3
1 Orcadian + Moroccans + Morocco_Jews + Orkney @ 0.786353 DODECAD WORLD 9
1 Egyptans + Irish + Lithuanians + Moroccan @ 1.245447 DODECAD K7B
1 Algerian + British_Isles + Egyptans + Norwegian @ 2.582850 DODECAD K12B
1 morocco-jew + orcadian + saharawi + ukranian @ 1.484872 HARAPPA
1 Scottish_West + Ukrainian + Tunisian + Egyptian @ 1.474127 puntDNAL K10 Ancient
1 50% Dutch_North +25% Egyptian +25% Tunisian @ 1.878823 puntDNAL K12 Modern
1 BedouinA + German_North + Scottish_West + Tunisian @ 1.355784 puntDNAL K12 Modern
1 Belarusian + Austrian + Ashkenazy_Jew + Mozabite_Berber @ 2.520722 puntDNAL K15
1 Maltese + Russian + Spanish + Yemen @ 2.900741 GEDROSIA Eurasia K11 CHG-NAF
1 50% BedouinA +50% Georgian_Jew @ 0.254189 Gedrosia K3
1 50% Armenian +25% Saudi +25% Yemen @ 0.000000 Gedrosia K3
1 French_South + Norwegian + Turkish + Yemen @ 2.734444 Gedrosia K11

To complicate things furthermore n-Monte analysis of my FTDNA raw data performed by Mr.Vadim Verenich gave me these intriguing results:

Now, the most intriguing part (nMonte2 results):

[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
        Amerindian  Ancestor      Steppe     Indian     Arctic
kikk    0.00650000 0.0000000  0.14430000 0.00050000 0.00000000
fitted  0.00505615 0.0019352  0.14238905 0.00361445 0.00249015
dif    -0.00144385 0.0019352 -0.00191095 0.00311445 0.00249015
       Australian  Caucasian EastAfrican NorthEastEuropean
kikk    0.0000000  0.2053000   0.0352000         0.1758000
fitted  0.0026998  0.2033645   0.0331972         0.1736729
dif     0.0026998 -0.0019355  -0.0020028        -0.0021271
          NearEast  Neolithic NorthAfrican     Oceanic  Siberian
kikk    0.07530000  0.2207000    0.1137000  0.00630000 0.0000000
fitted  0.07349245  0.2190871    0.1118342  0.00479935 0.0043526
dif    -0.00180755 -0.0016129   -0.0018658 -0.00150065 0.0043526
       SouthEastAsian Subsaharian
kikk       0.00000000  0.01640000
fitted     0.00280595  0.01524235
dif        0.00280595 -0.00115765
[1] "distance%=0.9204 / distance=0.009204"


 kikk
"Orcadian"15.6
"Tunisian_Jewish"12
"Ukrainian_West"11.25
"English_Kent_GBR"7.95
"Spanish_Canarias_IBS"7.1
"Polish_East"6.2
"Burbur_WGA"5.6
"Mozabite"5.2
"Lithuanian"4.05
"Spaniards"3.4
"BedouinB"3.25
"Yemenite_Jew"2.6
"Shaigi_WGA"2.45
"Ethiopian_Jew"2.35
"Italy_Abruzzo"1.65
"Somali"1.4
"Libyan_Jew"1.3
"Spanish_Extremadura_IBS"0.75
"Bulgarians"0.7
"Croatian"0.7
"Italian_Jewish"0.7
"Afar_WGA"0.6
"Macedonians"0.5
"Saharawi"0.5
"Croat-Croatia"0.3
"Icelandic"0.25
"Italian_Bergamo"0.25
"Kurd_WGA"0.2
"Montenegrian"0.2
"Kosovar"0.15
"Swedish"0.15
"SephardiJewTurkey"0.1
"Sorb"0.1
"Spanish_Andalucia_IBS"0.1
"Corsican"0.05
"French"0.05
"Italian_Tuscan"0.05
"Maltese"0.05
"Moroccan_Jew"0.05
"Portuguese"0.05
"Serbian_BH"0.05
"Sicilian"0.05

nMonte2 restricted

[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
       Amerindian  Ancestor     Steppe     Indian     Arctic
kikk    0.0065000 0.0000000  0.1443000 0.00050000 0.00000000
fitted  0.0049708 0.0016113  0.1426526 0.00333625 0.00191365
dif    -0.0015292 0.0016113 -0.0016474 0.00283625 0.00191365
       Australian   Caucasian EastAfrican NorthEastEuropean
kikk    0.0000000  0.20530000  0.03520000         0.1758000
fitted  0.0025513  0.20353755  0.03340935         0.1737569
dif     0.0025513 -0.00176245 -0.00179065        -0.0020431
          NearEast   Neolithic NorthAfrican     Oceanic  Siberian
kikk    0.07530000  0.22070000   0.11370000  0.00630000 0.0000000
fitted  0.07343645  0.21906095   0.11188645  0.00522775 0.0044359
dif    -0.00186355 -0.00163905  -0.00181355 -0.00107225 0.0044359
       SouthEastAsian Subsaharian
kikk       0.00000000  0.01640000
fitted     0.00311585  0.01510245
dif        0.00311585 -0.00129755
[1] "distance%=0.8833 / distance=0.008833"


 kikk
"Tunisian_Jewish"19.65
"Ukrainian_West"18.7
"Orcadian"18.35
"Spanish_Canarias_IBS"11.1
"English_Kent_GBR"8.3
"Mozabite"5.8
"Burbur_WGA"4.85
"BedouinB"4.2
"Somali"3
"Lithuanian"2.25
"Ethiopian_Jew"1.4
"Shaigi_WGA"1.15
"Spaniards"0.9
"Yemenite_Jew"0.35
"Italy_Abruzzo"0
"Libyan_Jew"0
"Polish_East"0

Afaik I dont have Jewish ancestors (all I came out with is that some of my northafrican ancestors bear surnames common to both Muslims and Jews such as Kammun and Besbes)
Do you agree with me that the showing up of jews in oracles of a half European half Northafrican mixed person is a hiatus due to calcs biase to perceive the combination of arab+european admixture as Jewish?

[dddcc]

Bump

[Maguzanci]

Im not sure but the best person to ask is Petalpusher.

[DanielJ1eH]

I'm a non-Jew and I get Jewish in my Oracle as well. They're just used as reference populations.

[sql]

Congratulations!

I'm a non-Jew and I get Jewish in my Oracle as well. They're just used as reference populations.

What is your ethnicity? Which Jewish groups, which calculator, and to what extent?

[dddcc]

Have you tried the Eurogenes Jtest from GEDmatch? If you score Jewish in any of the oracle results, it could be real.

I got results in line with my ancestry (the genetic distance deviating up to 3 is probably due to my Sudanese maternal great grandfather) on Eurogenes Jtest without a Jewish population in the Oracle's


Jtest Oracle population reference data revised 06 Nov 2012.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 17.71
2 ATLANTIC 16.80
3 MIDDLE_EASTERN 14.94
4 WEST_MED 13.60
5 SOUTH_BALTIC 8.54
6 EAST_MED 8.53
7 EAST_EURO 5.50
8 ASHKENAZI 5.07
9 EAST_AFRICAN 4.00
10 WEST_AFRICAN 3.14
11 WEST_ASIAN 1.44

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Algerian + Algerian + Scottish + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.931788
2 Algerian + Algerian + English + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 2.968110
3 Algerian + Algerian + English + NO @ 3.031852
4 Algerian + Algerian + DK + Scottish @ 3.040161
5 Algerian + Algerian + NO + Scottish @ 3.042632
6 Algerian + Algerian + Orcadian + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 3.064751
7 Algerian + Algerian + DK + English @ 3.067021
8 Algerian + Algerian + DK + Orcadian @ 3.068610
9 Algerian + Algerian + Cornish + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 3.116717
10 Algerian + Algerian + NO + Orcadian @ 3.130320
11 Algerian + Algerian + English + Orcadian @ 3.155662
12 Algerian + Algerian + English + Scottish @ 3.191189
13 Algerian + Algerian + Cornish + NO @ 3.213365
14 Algerian + Algerian + IE + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 3.218509
15 Algerian + Algerian + English + English @ 3.251333
16 Algerian + Algerian + NL + Scottish @ 3.279494
17 Algerian + Algerian + DK + IE @ 3.289877
18 Algerian + Algerian + Cornish + DK @ 3.300060
19 Algerian + Algerian + IE + NO @ 3.320214
20 Algerian + Algerian + NL + Orcadian @ 3.332376

[Maguzanci]

Or ask some other guys on Anthrogenica.

Have you contacted those few other Tunisian members on there?

[sql]

J test is shit. It says I'm like 15% Jewish.

[Petalpusher]

Broken down in 1/4 you could be 25% Jew, cause they are half mena/Euro. Wether you are 1/4 something or not, it will generate a possible 25%, but you are just half Tunisian half N.Euro.

The Jtest fits are pretty good and spot on. Eutest & Jtest are still good calculators, they are never far from reality in the approximations they generate (if you are a mix of things).

[Graham]

You can't always take oracle population matches too literally.