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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovan Ovcar View Post
    Same reason why Bosnia was a republic, a temporary solution on road to assimilation. It was supposed to be part of Croatia or Serbia once Bosniaks decide on which side they are.
    Bosnia becomes republic as temporary solution on road to separation I would say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moje ime View Post
    Interesting. Than why Tito didn't give you that name in 1945 year but he called you Muslim ethnicity?

    Maybe beglerbeg knows more than Husein.
    Muslims as well as Orthodoxes are not realists but fanatics, they want to have only one view on history, one view on religion etc...

    That's why Muslim nation was founded and Orthodox only Serbian nation, while Communists remained Yugoslavs

    I've noticed that both muslims and orthodoxes are attacking communists for example like they are alien people on Balkans.

    Balkan is a nutcase, people without any tolerance, bunch of fanatics where no pragmatic person can live.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moje ime View Post
    Bosnia becomes republic as temporary solution on road to separation I would say.
    No, if you followed the conversations of founders of Yugoslavia (communist one) you will see that the issue of Bosnia and Bosniaks was that both Serbs and Croats wanted it, and giving it to one or the other at the start would cause instability. It was thus decided to pressure Bosniaks into declaring as Serbs or Croats and then grant Bosnia to the side that won because it would be easier to manage.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    Muslims as well as Orthodoxes are not realists but fanatics, they want to have only one view on history, one view on religion etc...

    That's why Muslim nation was founded and Orthodox only Serbian nation, while Communists remained Yugoslavs

    I've noticed that both muslims and orthodoxes are attacking communists for example like they are alien people on Balkans.

    Balkan is a nutcase, people without any tolerance, bunch of fanatics where no pragmatic person can live.
    Your version of tolerance and pragmatism is for everyone to declare themselves as Serbs. That's neither tolerant nor pragmatic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovan Ovcar View Post
    Your version of tolerance and pragmatism is for everyone to declare themselves as Serbs. That's neither tolerant nor pragmatic
    It is evidenced by all historians Slavic migrations of Serbs and Croats... when did Bosniaks arrived on Balkans? In which century?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovan Ovcar View Post
    No, if you followed the conversations of founders of Yugoslavia (communist one) you will see that the issue of Bosnia and Bosniaks was that both Serbs and Croats wanted it, and giving it to one or the other at the start would cause instability. It was thus decided to pressure Bosniaks into declaring as Serbs or Croats and then grant Bosnia to the side that won because it would be easier to manage.
    ? You're calling all people from Bosnia Bosniaks. That is not true.
    Besides that nobody had to "pressure" Serbs from Bosnia to declare as Serbs. And obviously nobody pressured you Muslims to declare as Serbs but you got a new ethnicity called Muslims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    It is evidenced by all historians Slavic migrations of Serbs and Croats... when did Bosniaks arrived on Balkans? In which century?
    Simple answer, they didnt. They formed trough amalgamation of various tribes that sought refuge in Bosnia and slavicized.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moje ime View Post
    ? You're calling all people from Bosnia Bosniaks. That is not true.
    Besides that nobody had to "pressure" Serbs from Bosnia to declare as Serbs. And obviously nobody pressured you Muslims to declare as Serbs but you got a new ethnicity called Muslims.
    I am not calling all people from Bosnia Bosniaks. Bosniaks are one thing Bosnian another. Serbs are Serbs amd Croats are Croats. Yugoslavia tried to make Bosniaks chose a side. Simple really. Find it hard to believe you misunderstood that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovan Ovcar View Post
    Simple answer, they didnt. They formed trough amalgamation of various tribes that sought refuge in Bosnia and slavicized.



    I am not calling all people from Bosnia Bosniaks. Bosniaks are one thing Bosnian another. Serbs are Serbs amd Croats are Croats. Yugoslavia tried to make Bosniaks chose a side. Simple really. Find it hard to believe you misunderstood that
    There was no any Bosniak Slavic tribe which arrived to Bosnia.
    Bosnia was geographical area formed in 12th century around Vrhbosna, Visoko and Hodidjed.
    Ban Matej Ninoslav in charter from mid of 13th century call own people inhabitants of Bosnia - Serbs (underlined with red color)

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    In old Turkish sources, the Bosniaks are referred as a nation and ethnicity by Ottomans. They even called them Boşnak kavmi. kavm is Arabic and from Kur'an, it's the word used as race/ethnicity (kavm of Israel saved with Moses etc..).


    The Ottoman Empire and the Bosnian Uprising: Janissaries, Modernisation
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    Wonderful slap to the Muzzie Serb immigrant here.

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